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    Quote Originally Posted by El Pescador View Post
    before you send them on to Mrk, why don't you ask to see if there is an unbiased 3rd party that would look at your knives to confirm or refute Dave's claims? I'm sure there are plenty of people who would help you out.
    +1. Any time I want to say something that might piss someone else off, I try to get several other opinions from people that would know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mucho Bocho View Post
    Schanop, We'll the verdict is still out. I sent them to Dave for some of his sharpening magic. We'll the show never got off the ground. Dave basically told me that my Usuba and Deba were built like Chinese knock-offs. All-be-it $250--300 knock-offs. He went as far as to say "if you can, return them." Oh he was willing to work on them, for around $150 to sharpen each blade might be more he said. I also sent him my Mori Nakiri. You may have seen the thread on that one "Moritaka--How Long." Thats m knife.
    Are they that bad, really? My white #2 version have some issues, deba was warped towards the tip, and had badly ground ura, but unusable. Usuba was nice overall, but bevel was far from flat and even. Please do put an after though back to the usba+deba thread you started. Looking forward to see how they go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mucho Bocho View Post
    Dave basically told me that my Usuba and Deba were built like Chinese knock-offs. All-be-it $250--300 knock-offs.
    MB, curious as to what usuba and deba you had?

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    I bought them from Keiichi from Blue Way Japan. Both made for me, hon kasumi, blue2, with that certified gov. sticker on them. I eyeballed them and they looked good but i'm not a professional knife/maker sharpener. Told Keiichi that wanted the Usuba strait in the back and slightly angled toward tip. Looks that way to me. The Deba looked fine too, the only extra grinding I saw was at the tip but it was definately strait. They looked well made from my point of view. I just hoping to get them in the hands of someone that can establish a good blade road. I mean, they are not being entered into a world wide best-of-grind knife show or anything. I guess that part of my frustration.

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    Hmmm...Maybe Dave can tell us what he saw to make those comments.

    I picture an inexpensive single-bevel like the Hon Kasumi deba at EE or the small entry yanagi that Dave used to sell on his site for sharpening practice---never heard anyone complain about sharpening them.

    Without seeing your knives its almost impossible to judge, but I would be surprised that a known reputable seller would pass off the bottom of the barrel products for those prices.

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    JCad, Exactly. They were sold by Keiichi and we many of us have bought knives from him. I was in regular conversation with Keiichi about what I wanted but maybe even more what I didn't want (thanks to the feedback on this forum). He assured me that my knives would be built properly for me. They even engraved my name as kanji as I knew it would be unlikely that I would ever have a need for two deba's. Heck, I had the knife for a month and didn't even have a chance to use it. Was totally unsharpened and unused.

    I don't doubt that Dave is a good guy and top-shelf sharpener/builder. I have a very keen eye but won't even pro-port to say that I am able to look at a knife they way knife-maker folks here can (you all know who they are). But when i looked the Usuba, Yani and Deba, I tried to eyeball any sort of issue with them, but was unable to. The blade roads looked as even and smooth as my my other knives.

    The nakiri, I still don't know what to think about this. Am going to have one of Mark's guys tune it up and will report back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mucho Bocho View Post
    I bought them from Keiichi from Blue Way Japan...
    I wouldn't send these to knives to Mark to have one of his "guys" sharpen them. Now, don't get me wrong - I have absolutely nothing against Mark, his business, or his associates. I'm a happy customer of his, and plan to continue to do so. Mark may deal with an extensive variety of knives, but I don't consider him to be an expert on single bevel knives. Not by a long shot. And do you know who he would send his knives to? Sean? Ken? Nothing against those guys either, but there's no way I'd let either one of them touch a single bevel knife of my own.

    By all means send the Moritaka back to Mark if that's who you bougt it from.

    I would definitely send the knives to someone else for a second opinion and/or proper sharpening. Someone that you know personally has experience sharpening traditional single bevel Japanese knives and truly knows what they are doing. Jon Broida is the first person that comes to mind. KC is another person, but he's not on this forum.

    Have you talked to Keiichi? He'd be the first person I would talk to about potential problems, before Dave or Mark or anyone else for that matter.
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    KC is on holiday AFAIK.

    And totally agree that Jon is one of the very right person to send your single bevel knives to.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpukas View Post
    I wouldn't send these to knives to Mark to have one of his "guys" sharpen them. Now, don't get me wrong - I have absolutely nothing against Mark, his business, or his associates. I'm a happy customer of his, and plan to continue to do so. Mark may deal with an extensive variety of knives, but I don't consider him to be an expert on single bevel knives. Not by a long shot. And do you know who he would send his knives to? Sean? Ken? Nothing against those guys either, but there's no way I'd let either one of them touch a single bevel knife of my own.

    By all means send the Moritaka back to Mark if that's who you bougt it from.

    I would definitely send the knives to someone else for a second opinion and/or proper sharpening. Someone that you know personally has experience sharpening traditional single bevel Japanese knives and truly knows what they are doing. Jon Broida is the first person that comes to mind. KC is another person, but he's not on this forum.

    Have you talked to Keiichi? He'd be the first person I would talk to about potential problems, before Dave or Mark or anyone else for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schanop View Post
    KC is on holiday AFAIK.

    And totally agree that Jon is one of the very right person to send your single bevel knives to.
    KC just went to lunch. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I chatting with him a few hours ago.

    Jon is a good person to discuss this with. I know he's busy, so a call might be better than corresponding here.

    Another person/place you could contact is Korin. They do knife repair as well.
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    no worries. still thinking that he's still oversea.

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