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    Hello all,

    As you all might be aware, I'm not really a 'knife guy' so am unable to really jump and help too much around here.

    However, there are some new additions to the Tools from Japan store that might be of some interest to you all.

    As the title suggests, they're stones from Suehiro. Specifically, their Cerax, New Cerax, more traditional stones (Rika, etc.) and their Gokumyo line of stones.

    The Cerax are a vitrified ceramic type stone, moderately soft and quite fast and muddy. Not to the same extent as something like the Rika, but certainly softer than stuff like Chosera, Shapton and Sigma Power ceramic.

    I've put a little time on these stones, and find the #8000 to be a fairly predictable WA type stone. The #6000 to be very fast-for-grit when soaked, but quite firm and dish resistant when splashed and used while still damp. The #1000 is a smooth, relatively soft stone that deals with any steel I've ever thrown at it. Needs a soak, but won't complain if left soaking. The #700 is rather King like, but seems to be more aggressive. Nice, muddy and friendly. The #320 is a surprise. Needs a soak, but is surprisingly dish resistant, has good feeling and is deceptively fast. It's also huge and for what you get, cheap! Actually, the three lowest grit stones are surprisingly inexpensive.

    Also added are the 'New Cerax' which are aimed more at the home sharpener who wants something easy to use, won't use them too often and just needs to get the job done. Available in a wide range of sizes, they're a good choice for those folks who are looking for a simple stone that will just work and isn't too worried about the intricacies of their stones.

    The traditional style stones should be well known to most folks here, so I won't go into detail.

    The Gokumyo series of stones are something completely different. Frighteningly hard, a bit of a handful to use but with surprisingly good performance, available in 5 different configurations/types and expensive, they're not likely to be the most popular stones in the world but they do make you take notice if you ever manage to get a try of one.

    I won't go into too much detail about these Gokumyo stones for the immediate time being, but there is one thing that stuck in my mind when we were communicating with Suehiro about these particular stones, and that was;

    "We made these 'for fun'. Not to fill a need, but to see what we could do with current technology and see if we could make something unique and different. We don't think you will sell many of them, we don't really want to sell many of them and besides, you'll never sell two of the same stone to the same person. They don't wear out."


    Considering some of these stones are very, very thin, the 'don't wear out' is a bold statement, but surprisingly, I think it's also very true...

    If you have any questions, you know what to do.

    Thanks,

    Stu.
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    Well, that is nice!
    I might just look into getting a couple more of the Gokumyo's.
    I have the 15 and 20K's, and truth be told, there are no finer synthetic hone out there for razors imo.
    Lately I've been playing around with them on my knives as well, and sure enough, the certainly perform very well for those too. IMHO that is

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    Hi Birnando,

    That's good to hear, as I've sent out a 20K for a professional razor sharpener to try and haven't heard back anything yet.

    I've got the 20K (of course!) and it's impressive to say the very least, the edge is a definite step up over anything else I've got.

    The coarser stones, I still can't get my head around them. They do things that just don't make sense.

    Very addictive though, as strange as they behave...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schtoo View Post
    Hi Birnando,

    That's good to hear, as I've sent out a 20K for a professional razor sharpener to try and haven't heard back anything yet.

    I've got the 20K (of course!) and it's impressive to say the very least, the edge is a definite step up over anything else I've got.

    The coarser stones, I still can't get my head around them. They do things that just don't make sense.

    Very addictive though, as strange as they behave...

    Stu.
    Thanks for your views on the coarser one's

    If the razor honer you have sent it out to is the one I'm thinking of, I can tell you he is pretty darn impressed with it

    I'll PM you to talk a bit of shop, if that is alright?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birnando View Post
    Thanks for your views on the coarser one's

    If the razor honer you have sent it out to is the one I'm thinking of, I can tell you he is pretty darn impressed with it

    I'll PM you to talk a bit of shop, if that is alright?
    He's only had it for a few days I think.

    PM's for shop talk? Please!

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    The New Cerax 1k/3k combo stone sounds like it might be a perfect starter stone to gift to friends and family with their first good knife.
    Is there another "1 stone" solution that would be easier or better for a beginner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wenus2 View Post
    The New Cerax 1k/3k combo stone sounds like it might be a perfect starter stone to gift to friends and family with their first good knife.
    Is there another "1 stone" solution that would be easier or better for a beginner?
    I think you're not far off the mark.

    It's not a stone that an experienced user is going to fall over themselves for, but it's dead easy to use, fast and effective. And it's not too expensive either. The only addition might be a bevel guide to help new folks work out what the 'right' angle should be, and I think Suehiro have some guides available. Might be an idea to throw one in there?

    I just had a look, and it's a cheap, steel clip on thing, but it might work.


    Interestingly, the New Cerax combo was the very first 'waterstone' I ever paid my own money for, about 10 years ago. It was impressive back then, it's still pretty good.

    Stu.
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    After some very good advice and information from Stu, I decided to give the new Gokumyo Debado series a go.
    It seemed like natural additions to my Gokumyo 15 and 20K
    The 400-2000 and the 6000 was what I went with.
    I'll report back with my impressions as soon as I have given them a proper go with some razors, and of course a bunch of knives

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