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    Quote Originally Posted by BurkeCutlery View Post
    But the zakuri is way thicker behind the edge.
    I don't know if this is always the case. There was one at WCG2012-Gardena that was impressive to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurkeCutlery View Post
    The Takedas cut like CRAZY. They are a "buy one and you'll get it" kind of knife. But I've not had extensive experience using a Zakuri, I'm sharpening one tomorrow, so I'm excited to see what it's like. Some knives, like the Gengetsu, are just made really well and still cut very good for being somewhat stout--I'm hoping the Zakuri is too!
    Eamon, I agree that Takedas cut like crazy, but having owned both a Takeda and a Zakuri and having used a Kochi borrowed from EdipisReks, I'd choose the Kochi every time. It's like The Three Bears: The Zakuri felt too big, the Takeda felt too thin, but the Kochi was "just right".

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    I've heard that the steel in the Kochi is supposed to be very similar to white steel. Can anyone tell me a little bit about how it handles in comparison? White steel is supposed to be so simple and pure but according to this comparison chart, the V2 is pretty different with lots of other composition elements.

    http://zknives.com/knives/steels/ste...202&ni=,&hrn=1

    How does that translate to sharpening, edge retention, and usage? Thanks again for all the info guys, its been very helpful.

    Also, hows the stickage?

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    I doubt there would be a noticeable difference between Takefu V2 and Hitachi Shirogami no.2 in use. The major differences will be felt in how the knife was ground. I can't comment on food release having not used the Kochi. Since Jon is selling it and it is so highly regarded, I doubt it has issues in this area. I don't think you can go wrong with any of Jon's knives.

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    The Kochis are nice, no doubt about it. Jon doesn't sell bad stuff.

    Oh, and I'm sure there are Zakuris that are different, but I was referring to the KU series.

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    food release is pretty good on the Kochi. V2 holds an edge for me better than White 2.

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    I don't own a kochi, but the geometry on a Takeda gyuto is very unusual. It's thin behind the edge, and the spine has a nice distal taper. However, the blade itself is FLAT -- it's almost like a Chinese cleaver with the width of the blade feeling flat and thin all the way down the length except for a thickening when you move up the spine. It's allows a cutting performance like a Chinese cleaver, and it rarely ever wedges. Even at the heel, the blade is super-thin.

    I own a lot of gyutos, and the Takeda is my favorite. I own both the 210 and 240. I don't think I can think of another 3-layered blade with such a thin blade geometry toward the heel. I don't know why people would think it's too thin. It is a tough knife. I have no problems putting it through the ringer.




    From left to right:
    Takeda 240 gyuto
    Yoshikane 240 gyuto
    Carbonext Gyuto
    Asai 240 SG-2 suminagashi gyuto
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