100 knives to try before you die

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  1. Jul 9, 2019 #121

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    An updated version:



    1. Evan Antzenberger

    2. Andy Billipp

    3. Blenheim Forge

    4. Blok Knives

    5. Bloodroot

    6. Bill Burke

    7. Jim Burke

    8. Murray Carter Funayuki

    9. Catcheside Gyuto

    10. CCK a) Carbon Kau Kong Chopper, b) 1303

    11. Comet Honyaki

    12. Robin Dalman Gyuto S-Grind

    13. Dexter 45A12H

    14. Doi

    15. Fingal Ferguson

    16. Teruyasu Fujiwara Denka

    17. Gengetsu Gyuto

    18. Gesshin Ittetsy Honyaki Gyuto

    19. Grimm Knife Company

    20. Gude Bread Sword

    21. HHH

    22. Haburn Knivers

    23. Halcyonforge Gyuto

    24. Ashi Hamono Ginga

    25. Harner

    26. Hazenberg

    27. Heiji Semi-stainless

    28. Tsukasa Hinoura

    29. Ikea Briljera

    30. Ikeda Mizu Honyaki

    31. Mario Ingoglia

    32. Jikko Akebono Gyuto 240

    33. Kaeru Gyuto

    34. Kagekiyo Blue # 1 Gyuto

    35. Benjamin Kamon

    36. Kato a) STD Gyuto, b) Yoshiaki Fujiwara, c) Sujihiki

    37. Kikuishi

    38. Kippington

    39. Kochi a) Stainless clad, b) V2

    40. Konosuke Fujiyama a) preferably old, and wide bevel, b) Gyuto 240 White Steel # 1, c) YS

    41. Shibata Kotetsu

    42. Bob Kramer

    43. Kumagoro Honyaki

    44. Tilman Leder Inox

    45. Andrea Lisch

    46. David Lisch

    47. Mac Pro Series

    48. Marius Smide

    49. Dave Martell

    50. Masahiro

    51. Masamoto KS

    52. Masashi SLD

    53. Matsubara

    54. Maumasi

    55. Mazaki

    56. Chelsea Miller Gyuto

    57. Misono Dragon

    58. Mizuno Honyaki

    59. Munethoshi a) Cleaver, b) Gyuto, c) Butcher

    60. Murata Blue # 1

    61. Don Ngyuen

    62. Opinel

    63. Dan Prendergast

    64. Brian Raquin a) Gyuto, b) Mini cleaver/Big Nakiri

    65. Michael Rader

    66. Bhakti Sa

    67. Sabatier a) Nogent handled pre 1939, b) Old carbon

    68. Sakai Takayuki Ginsanko

    69. Takeshi Saji

    70. Shigefusa Gyuto

    71. Suisin INOX Honyaki Gyuto

    72. Takamura Pro Gyuto

    73. Takeda Gyuto

    74. Tanaka a) Blue Steel # 2, b) Gyuto

    75. Mert Tansu

    76. Tesshu

    77. Togashi Honyaki Blue Steel Gyuto

    78. Tosagata Bunka

    79. Toyogama

    80. Toyama a) Iron Clad, b) Guyto 270, c) Nakiri 210

    81. Tsourkan

    82. Shinichi Watanabe a) Kasumi Guyto, b) KU Gyuto, c) Nakiri, d) Honyaki

    83. Wakui

    84. Xerxes

    85. Yoshikane a) Black Damascus SLD, b) SLD

    86. Zwilling Kramer
     
  2. Jul 9, 2019 #122

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    Is this list missing Devin Thomas? I didn’t see husband name but the list is getting kind of long.
    If I had to pick I would say his contribution to heat treat on AEB-L or A2 and obviously any Damascus.
     
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    Yes, you are right; no Thomas; and a long list!
     
  6. Jul 10, 2019 #126

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    >76. Tesshu

    Its worth pointing out that this designation doesn't really describe either a specific knife or a maker,
    so this is something you need to consider when trying to evaluate a purchase decision.
     
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    I think there is limited value of this list as it is. It will be something for people brand new into kitchen knife world to look at and get an idea of knives to check out. I just hope their random pick isnt chelsea miller. Why isnt kamikoto on the list yet?
     
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    Interesting! What would increase the value of the list, in your opinion? I am all ears!
     
  9. Jul 10, 2019 #129

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    I think what will improve it more is if it gets a bit more knife specific with the makers. But I don’t think it’s limited. There’s a lot of cutlery here to give high praise.
     
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    We could organize them by some criteria. . . like customs vs off-the-shelf, with a description of what that entails. But also very important to note that this is not a definitive list. . . just a list of some people's favorites, if this happens to gain more traction outside the knife community. I wouldn't want to interpret the list authoritatively.

    Other rough criteria could be by rough weight: laser, workhorse, middleweight. With a subcategory for distal taper, very consistent grinds, and thinness behind the edge (robust, thin).

    And then by steel feel: toughness, sharpness, sharpenable, edge retention, cutting feel.

    We could assign some value to how "good" each characteristic is, but it doesn't quite sit right with me, so I leave that those that may wish to.
     
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    I'd add Peter Swarz-Burt to the list. His Wootz Damascus crucible steel is beautiful.
     
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    I think its best to use this list as a starting point, and not a destination...
    Half the fun of this forum is the journey.
     
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    I couldn't agree more!
     
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    To all reading this forum after you try about 20-30-40 knives you can quickly deduce what you like and dont like ... and not only will you not need to try all 100 .. your list "to try" ... will change

    Unfortunately right now I've lost the love a little and don't really have anything on my "lets try" list.
     
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    Although the majority of the knives are probably knives that knives nuts should try, there should be some validity backing them, rather than, just someone named a knife. Also there should/could be a little explanation or reason why a knife is there for example grind, steel, fit and finish, the way it goes through dense product etc. For example, why do so many people spend so much on Katos. Or to put it another way what draws people to them. I would think many would say the super thick spines and grind on them are unique and would put them on a list of must try knifes.

    I'm not picking on Micah's suggestion about the wusthoff bread knife, but I think it's a great example to use. Why would that particular bread knife be on there. Is it because, it is his bread knife that he likes to use alot or is it an exceptional bread knife. Alot of guys don't have a bunch of bread knifes, but might find a bread knife to be very handy. Perhaps, Micah really likes his bread knife, but maybe he would like a bunch of other bread knifes. Or maybe that one is truly exceptional, but I couldn't tell what the reasoning is for it's recognition. Just like, I can't understand why Chelsea Miller is recognized without anyone that I've heard talk about her making great knifes. I heard someone mention her as a shock value, but if that's the case, like I said add kamakoto. But we are putting Chelsea Miller in the ranks of Fujiyamas, tansu, Toyama, Kato's etc.
     
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    ? No love for DT? His ITK gyuto showed me what a true piece of functional art should be able to achieve. Will never part with mine ... definitely well worth being on the list ... $0.02 ...
     
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    Oh, I wasn’t passing judgment on DT - I was merely recognizing the fact that DT knives were not on the list. But they will be as per the next update!
     
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    I like the idea of a few words of explanation. Why the knife is worth trying, what's unusual or remarkable about it, etc. Also, something about the characteristics would be good. If I see Gyuto X in the list, I really know nothing about it other than basic dimensions. On the other hand, if someone tells me "this is a laser," or "has a workhorse grind," or "has very reactive cladding, rusts as soon as you look away for a minute," then I have something to make a more informed decision.
     
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    So it seems that some sort of consensus is starting to take form (thanks @Midsummer, Jville, CKTC, refcast, Michi, Rory Shannon!). Difference in opinion aside, it seems like many would appreciate a short explanation or motivation for why a specific knife is on the list. All things considered, that sounds good. It will require some extra work, of course, and I should really underscore that I am not the person for the job. (I don’t have the competence - approximately 80% of these knives I lack first hand experience of. In other words, I am not qualified to do it).This means the list has to be completed by you, more experienced, forum members.
    There has also been suggestions about grouping knives together (categorization after types, such as work horse and the like). Again, sounds very reasonable to me, but I am unfortunately not the man for the job.
    @Jville I haven’t properly responded to the Chelsea Miller issue (and the Kumikoto issue). Here is how I see things: I have asked people help me to compile a list. So far, I have merely acted as a kind of secretary. If someone proposes a knife, I put it on the list - and I have put no other knife on the list than the ones suggested. I have no particular feelings wrt Chelsea Miller. In all likelihood, her work would not get to be on the final list if we took a vote. As things are, I do not feel it is right of me to take a name off the list (although, I will of course do it if that is what people want).
    A last thing: there is a recurring confusion about the purpose of this list. I have underscored already that it is not a ’buy before you die’-list, but a ’try before you die’-list. But there is another basic misconception that keeps resurfacing; that this would be a list of the best knives there are. It is certainly not meant to be. If that was the purpose (please return to my first post!) it should have been stated somewhere. But it hasn’t because that was never the goal. With this misconception cleared out, it seems that the Chelsea Miller issue gets even less acute. It is certainly possible that her work is worth trying despite being overpriced and bad (if that is indeed what it is).
    I tried to make clarificatory analogy above with food. There is some food you may want to try despite it not being heavenly. One of the things that comes to mind is this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andouillette
    I really disliked it, but it is nice to have tried it.
    Again, thanks to everyone who has contributed!
     
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    Alright, I'd put my Heiji gyuto (21 cm, semi stainless, requested a thinner version) on the list. It greatly improved my cutting technique (home cook here). Initially it would wedge, but a change in technique (bit more angle when approaching the produce) made it into a great cutter. Insightful for my other knives too.

    It also sharpens like a dream.
     
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    Agh, may this conversation die! As I said above, I was the one who suggested her, as part of a joke, and I then asked to take her off when it became clear that the joke wasn't funny anymore. If you are a diligent secretary, please remove her now. :)

    In other news, I do want to try a Heiji...
     
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    I kind of thought we could squeeze out a few more drops of fun. But I stand corrected. She will be removed the next time the list is updated! Cheers
     
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    Well, I think that the Chelsey Miller knife should most definitely stay on the list. Everyone should try this knife at least once. If only to find how terrible a knife can actually be…

    Sorry, just pulling your leg. I couldn't resist ;)
     
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    At least we got some more fun out of it!
     
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    I would like to nominate Ginrei or Shi.han by Shehan Prull.
     
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    This is my guiding star!
     
  28. Jul 17, 2019 #148

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    Another update. It looks like we will reach 100 pretty soon. I took the liberty of adding an old favorite: the Victorinox Paring knife (the cheap plastic one). They have been in every kitchen and every Food hall I have ever worked. For a reason.
    So, here is the list of the 90 ones gathered so far. (Chelsea Miller is no longer represented).

    1. Evan Antzenberger

    2. Andy Billipp

    3. Blenheim Forge

    4. Blok Knives

    5. Bloodroot

    6. Bill Burke

    7. Jim Burke

    8. Murray Carter Funayuki

    9. Catcheside Gyuto

    10. CCK a) Carbon Kau Kong Chopper, b) 1303

    11. Comet Honyaki

    12. Robin Dalman Gyuto S-Grind

    13. Dexter 45A12H

    14. Doi

    15. Fingal Ferguson

    16. Teruyasu Fujiwara Denka

    17. Gengetsu Gyuto

    18. Gesshin Ittetsy Honyaki Gyuto

    19. Grimm Knife Company

    20. Gude Bread Sword

    21. HHH

    22. Haburn Knivers

    23. Halcyonforge Gyuto

    24. Ashi Hamono Ginga

    25. Harner

    26. Hazenberg

    27. Heiji a) Semi-stainless Gyuto (210)

    28. Tsukasa Hinoura

    29. Ikea Briljera

    30. Ikeda Mizu Honyaki

    31. Mario Ingoglia

    32. Jikko Akebono Gyuto 240

    33. Kaeru Gyuto

    34. Kagekiyo Blue # 1 Gyuto

    35. Benjamin Kamon

    36. Kato a) STD Gyuto, b) Yoshiaki Fujiwara, c) Sujihiki

    37. Kikuishi

    38. Kippington

    39. Kochi a) Stainless clad, b) V2

    40. Konosuke Fujiyama a) preferably old, and wide bevel, b) Gyuto 240 White Steel # 1, c) YS

    41. Shibata Kotetsu

    42. Bob Kramer

    43. Kumagoro Honyaki

    44. Tilman Leder Inox

    45. Andrea Lisch

    46. David Lisch

    47. Mac Pro Series

    48. Marius Smide

    49. Dave Martell

    50. Masahiro

    51. Masamoto KS

    52. Masashi SLD

    53. Matsubara

    54. Maumasi

    55. Mazaki

    56. Misono Dragon

    57. Mizuno Honyaki

    58. Munethoshi a) Cleaver, b) Gyuto, c) Butcher

    59. Murata Blue # 1

    60. Don Ngyuen

    61. Opinel

    62. Dan Prendergast

    63. Shehan Prull a) Ginrei, b) Shi.han

    64. Brian Raquin a) Gyuto, b) Mini cleaver/Big Nakiri

    65. Michael Rader

    66. Bhakti Sa

    67. Sabatier a) Nogent handled pre 1939, b) Old carbon

    68. Sakai Takayuki Ginsanko

    69. Takeshi Saji

    70. Shigefusa Gyuto

    71. Suisin INOX Honyaki Gyuto

    72. Peter Swarz-Burt Wootz Damascus

    73. Takamura Pro Gyuto

    74. Takeda Gyuto

    75. Tanaka a) Blue Steel # 2, b) Gyuto

    76. Mert Tansu

    77. Tesshu

    78. Devin Thomas a) AEB-L, b) A2, c) Damascus

    79. Togashi Honyaki Blue Steel Gyuto

    80. Tosagata Bunka

    81. Toyogama

    82. Toyama a) Iron Clad, b) Guyto 270, c) Nakiri 210

    83. Tsourkan

    84. Victorinox Paring 100

    85. Wakui

    86. Shinichi Watanabe a) Kasumi Guyto, b) KU Gyuto, c) Nakiri, d) Honyaki

    87. Wüsthof Super slicer

    88. Xerxes

    89. Yoshikane a) Black Damascus SLD, b) SLD

    90. Zwilling Kramer
     
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    Or we could stop at 90 and call it a day.
     
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    A few standout makers (that I've actually physically handled) that aren't currently on the list are Will Manning of Heartwood Forge, Tony Laseur of Laseur Knives, Rick Petko of RPD&Co, Isaiah Schroeder of Schroeder Knife Works, and Luis Pina of C.LuisPinaKnives.

    One guy in particular, whose work I have not had the pleasure of handling/trying, is Chad of Tristone Blades.

    There are more, and I'll come back when I remember them.
     
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