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Here is a video I made on Youtube (there is french language version for those who prefer) about sharpening our knives while we use them in the kitchen.
I have build a handle for a stone and though to share the idea as it could be helpful for some of you and might be a good way to maintain you knives on the go with stones without the need for space and time that generally is needed for stone works.
In the video I also talk about Honing rods and why I don't like to use them even if I recognise their performance. In my opinion, Rods design, whatever the material : steel which are useful for softer hard steel, ceramics better for high hardness steels, diamonds for really removing steel, as I understood, a honing rod will work one very point of the blade at a time, so will be powerful on that point but also won't help the user to work evenly on all the surface, all the length of the blade. Round is more effective than flat thats it. But round won't help to touch a surface evenly, only the user, only the eyes, only the hand could compensate that, if they are aware of this behaviour. So I won't say using a honing rod will damage your blade for sure, but that only depend of your dexterity and aknowledge of how this tool works.

I am also talking about leather strops. They are quite recommended those days for those using high hardness knives. I use them and would recommend people who doubt about the effectiveness to try them. Even a plain leather with nothing on it will work great on a nicely sharpen knife which loose some cutting effect after using it for a while. And now exist all sort of pastes, compounds to make them more abrasives. You can now choose the abrasive and the grit you put on them. The main advantages of that tool is that it is very gentle : you're sure you won't damage your knife. Even with some 1k grit diamond paste on it, because it is soft it will behave like two times finer than a stone same grit for exemple. Second advantages for me : it's a large flat surface so you will be helped to use the all surface to be sharpen and you won't touch more some parts than others so you won't get that issue at the heel we can meet often on the knives that were maintained with honing rod : the very heel of the knife is not touch so you go a hollow just after it. Disadvantages : it's soft material so that can lead to convexify your edge. It's not very abrasive so it might not be efficient to give back the sharpness you need on your knife.

So in my kitchen, using my knives, I finally went back to the stones to maintain my knives on the go. I am maybe too much used to my set up in my workshop : a big sink with a sturdy sink bridge where I can set my stones confortably at the right height and set it firmly, so in my kitchen I never was confortable to set my stones on a corner of my counter, on a wet towel : I don't have such space easily available, the towel can not hold the stone the best or not disrupt my mouvement. So well, I ended holding the stone in my hand and strop my knives on the stone a bit like razor guys do on their razor. I really like the work it is doing, touching up the edge of my knives and giving new teeth to my edges. But holding the stone in my hand is not that confortable : it's a little heavy and with long blades it doesn't feel super safe.

So last week I had some time cleaning my workshop and I thought about building something I had in mind : a handle for my stone. So that's it : it's not a big revolution or the ultimate sharpening gear but now I have it and use it I think that option can be really interesting for some of us : it's not complicated to build, you can glue the stone you prefer, you can flatten your sharpening tool so it can keep working at best, it's quite safe to use as your hand is farer to the stone, it's not heavy to use as you will set the end of this holder on the edge of your counter or sink, you don't need much space to use it, you don't need to drop your knife so it's very fast to do few strokes on your stones and just continue cutting the food, you don't need to buy a second stone if you don't have the budget as you could totally use that stone with the handle while you strop, but set it on a table or bench when you want to use it normally as a bench stone.
About that tool : a stone with a handle, I think Nano hone have proposed something similar, the nano strops : they are 270mm (or 475) x 18mm x 0.8mm (thickness of the abrasive). It's not as wide as I like in my opinion and the resin used by nano hone is too soft for edge leading strops, only edge trailing will be really possible on those.

So, you guessed, I am quite curious to know what you think of such idea, would you build something similar for you, or if you don't like it and prefer something else I would also be interested to know what you would use.
 
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It's not the way I use my tool myself, maybe you did not watch the video.
To my point of view Takeda way of sharpening is too specific : you need that tool or to build that specific tool, so you need to find the stones this size etc + it's made for his knives which are knives with no micro bevels but bevel of about 4 or 5mm wide and you set the stone on it + you need to find some space to do the sharpening, which is not the case with my tool + you need to learn a new gesture
 
It's not the way I use my tool myself, maybe you did not watch the video.
To my point of view Takeda way of sharpening is too specific : you need that tool or to build that specific tool, so you need to find the stones this size etc + it's made for his knives which are knives with no micro bevels but bevel of about 4 or 5mm wide and you set the stone on it + you need to find some space to do the sharpening, which is not the case with my tool + you need to learn a new gesture
I think my first thought was the stone/ wood handle is huge and appears heavy and seems to take up quite a bit of space to store.

Might have concern with control if you are holding something heavy (anchoring hand on the handle moving up and down with your body).

Maybe its not as heavy as it seems based on size.

When I saw takedas method for bevel work aside. Would this work just as well with a smaller / thinner stone? Or even takeda stone size?
 
That being said maybe this design is better in a pro-setting where standing space is less of a premium than counterspace.

Just interesting as I was thinking about my travel stones and how it requires me to “set” up the space and how the takeda stones require minimal set up if they were in a splash and go configuration.

Maybe something like what you made if in a size that could fit in a knife roll would be awesome.
 
I think my first thought was the stone/ wood handle is huge and appears heavy and seems to take up quite a bit of space to store.

Might have concern with control if you are holding something heavy (anchoring hand on the handle moving up and down with your body).

Maybe its not as heavy as it seems based on size.

When I saw takedas method for bevel work aside. Would this work just as well with a smaller / thinner stone? Or even takeda stone size?
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This is how I use it so you don't hold the stone so in a way the weight of the tool is not too much of a problem.
About the size : for my preference I would use a stone with 200mm length at least because I want to strop confortably with blades from 120 to 280mm length. But that's the beauty of the concept : it's just a simple handle to built and you can choose the stone you want, small, big, narrow, large, diamond, traditionnal, anything you prefer.
 
I think my first thought was the stone/ wood handle is huge and appears heavy and seems to take up quite a bit of space to store.

Might have concern with control if you are holding something heavy (anchoring hand on the handle moving up and down with your body).

Maybe its not as heavy as it seems based on size.

When I saw takedas method for bevel work aside. Would this work just as well with a smaller / thinner stone? Or even takeda stone size?
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This is the space it is taking in my own kitchen. It's smaller than what it look in the youtube video and I could think most people could find a place for it to store.
 
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This is how I use it so you don't hold the stone so in a way the weight of the tool is not too much of a problem.
About the size : for my preference I would use a stone with 200mm length at least because I want to strop confortably with blades from 120 to 280mm length. But that's the beauty of the concept : it's just a simple handle to built and you can choose the stone you want, small, big, narrow, large, diamond, traditionnal, anything you prefer.
I will 100% take your word if you feel stability is not an issue in a set up like the pic above! Especially seeing your workshop setup. I guess you are using this for low pressure edge maintenance.

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This is the space it is taking in my own kitchen. It's smaller than what it look in the youtube video and I could think most people could find a place for it to store.
You are right it doesnt seem to bad size wise.. Interesting…
 
I will 100% take your word if you feel stability is not an issue in a set up like the pic above! Especially seeing your workshop setup. I guess you are using this for low pressure edge maintenance.


You are right it doesnt seem to bad size wise.. Interesting…
Yes, this is just to replace or be an alternative to honing rods and leather strops.
For proper precise sharpening I would myself always prefer putting a bench stone on a bench, set, and work the knife with my two hands.
 
I do tons of field sharpening and quick repairs with the stone in hand method. Maybe not the safest but one of the few ways I can say I've never cut myself, knock on wood. It feels much more dangerous sharpening straight razors this way than sharpening large knives actually. I'm much more likely to use stone holders when sharpening razors than knives.
 
Hey,
Just some more elements to discuss about that tool, I have just found that article on Honing rods and thought it would be interesting to put here : https://scienceofsharp.com/2018/08/22/what-does-steeling-do-part-1/

Often people using honing rods say : it is not removing material so I am not wearing my knife, I just maintain it. Well, maybe that website is saying absolute non sense, I don't know, but the pictures and demonstration looks solid. Looks like a honing rod would remove material to your knife (actually to my experience I would feel the same... but I don't have much experience about them) so then, if anyway you gonna remove material, then you can choose to do it on a cylinder, or on a flat large surface.
 
Hey,
Just some more elements to discuss about that tool, I have just found that article on Honing rods and thought it would be interesting to put here : https://scienceofsharp.com/2018/08/22/what-does-steeling-do-part-1/

Often people using honing rods say : it is not removing material so I am not wearing my knife, I just maintain it. Well, maybe that website is saying absolute non sense, I don't know, but the pictures and demonstration looks solid. Looks like a honing rod would remove material to your knife (actually to my experience I would feel the same... but I don't have much experience about them) so then, if anyway you gonna remove material, then you can choose to do it on a cylinder, or on a flat large surface.


My experiences line up with SOS's arguments. I am happy with either a rod or small stone for touchups. But being able to sharpen in hand is far more versatile. You can use it to fix chips and tips, do basic thinning, and even basic polishing. None of which is possible with a honing rod, but is necessary for proper knife maintenance. Which is why so many used knives out there in the wild have protruding heels and frowning profiles. And why so many people are justifiably skeptical of honing rods

Here are some videos of me sharpening in-hand and with a ceramic hone if it interests anyone.

Field sharpening in-hand





Sharpening big knife in hand with very tiny stone



Ceramic hone

 
My experiences line up with SOS's arguments. I am happy with either a rod or small stone for touchups. But being able to sharpen in hand is far more versatile. You can use it to fix chips and tips, do basic thinning, and even basic polishing. None of which is possible with a honing rod, but is necessary for proper knife maintenance. Which is why so many used knives out there in the wild have protruding heels and frowning profiles. And why so many people are justifiably skeptical of honing rods

Here are some videos of me sharpening in-hand and with a ceramic hone if it interests anyone.

Field sharpening in-hand





Sharpening big knife in hand with very tiny stone



Ceramic hone


Thanks for all those insight and videos.
Honing rods are maybe not that popular on that forum, but in France it seems they are used by majority of cooks.
I think one of the issue is not enough education about sharpening/knife maintenance in general and even more for pro cooks, that would help more people to pick the tool that they really need to maintain their knives the way they want, knowing what the tool is actually doing to the metal. Most people I talk to in France feel the honing rod is convenient because you use it dry and often think it doesn't remove material so they think they should not do any arm to their knives. I had even a very close experience with the cook of a restaurant in my village who bought me a knife and send it to me back because he broked the tip after maybe 3 or 4 weeks. The issue about the tip was he was using a low tip bunka like a western chef rocking on a plastic board...
But anyway so I could examine the edge with a magnifier (got a x20 if I remember) as I knew he was maintaining every day, few times a day his knife with a honing rod (I think a steel one). It was not a bad as I thought but yeah the edge did not had that sharp shape anymore and there was micro chips everywhere (not visible by eyes) so he was actually getting his edge even more fragile with a honing rod and it was just getting duller quicker. He is now maintaining with a leather strop for few months and say he really like it. I was thinking to let him borrow my little tool, my stone with a handle, for a while next time I see him.
 
Thanks for all those insight and videos.
Honing rods are maybe not that popular on that forum, but in France it seems they are used by majority of cooks.
I think one of the issue is not enough education about sharpening/knife maintenance in general and even more for pro cooks, that would help more people to pick the tool that they really need to maintain their knives the way they want, knowing what the tool is actually doing to the metal. Most people I talk to in France feel the honing rod is convenient because you use it dry and often think it doesn't remove material so they think they should not do any arm to their knives. I had even a very close experience with the cook of a restaurant in my village who bought me a knife and send it to me back because he broked the tip after maybe 3 or 4 weeks. The issue about the tip was he was using a low tip bunka like a western chef rocking on a plastic board...
But anyway so I could examine the edge with a magnifier (got a x20 if I remember) as I knew he was maintaining every day, few times a day his knife with a honing rod (I think a steel one). It was not a bad as I thought but yeah the edge did not had that sharp shape anymore and there was micro chips everywhere (not visible by eyes) so he was actually getting his edge even more fragile with a honing rod and it was just getting duller quicker. He is now maintaining with a leather strop for few months and say he really like it. I was thinking to let him borrow my little tool, my stone with a handle, for a while next time I see him.

A lot of professional cooks know less than nothing (what they do know is just as likely to be wrong as right) about knife maintenance. They just abuse their cheap knives with coarse diamond honing rods and pull through gizmos until they are unusable and then get something else. It is hard to show other people who really aren't that interested without just becoming the person in the kitchen who fixes everyone's ****** knives.
 
A lot of professional cooks know less than nothing (what they do know is just as likely to be wrong as right) about knife maintenance. They just abuse their cheap knives with coarse diamond honing rods and pull through gizmos until they are unusable and then get something else. It is hard to show other people who really aren't that interested without just becoming the person in the kitchen who fixes everyone's ****** knives.

And that is why we have KKF. 😂
 
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