Are Jnats Unusually Expensive...?

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I was playing around with some stones yesterday and measuring some SGs. Then also decided to have a go estimating their value by weight, to get an idea of how different types of natural stones compare in terms of absolute price.

A few things to note: These values are in US$ per gram, and are based on my estimation of a 'market value' that one might reasonably expect to pay on BST for the stone. I'm not selling any of them atm, it's just a guess of what they might go for if I did. None of the jnats are particularly fancy, patterned or colourful, so the values are somewhat lower than they can be, but they're all good stones in terms of use. The non-Japanese stones are slightly 'posher' examples, and I've not included things like some of the relatively cheap slates and sandstones that were used quite extensively in times gone by, I might add them in later. There are also some notes to explain or clarify certain things about specific stones.

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LHS top to bottom:
Okudo Suita - 0.16
Mizukihara Uchigumori - 0.15
Mauruoyama Shiro Suita - 0.31
Ozuku Asagi - 0.15


RHS top to bottom:
Yellow-Green Thuringian - 0.70 [Pretty much certainly an Escher. If it still had its label the price could be north of $1/g.]
Norton Translucent Arkansas - 0.47 [This is a completely pristine example of a 1950s 'Green Label' stone. You could snag a more recent 8x2 Norton translucent for about 1/2 to 2/3rds of this price.]
Fiddich River Stone - 0.45
Tam O'Shanter - 0.11
[At the beginning of the year the value might have been 2x this, but a massive hoard of NOS stones from the Dalmore estate are being sold off very cheaply atm.]
Coticule - 0.89 [This is very high for a few reasons: It's based just on the price of yellow Coticule, which has gone up a lot in the last year, and this is a particularly desirable one. You can get Cotis at half this price or less, but whatever way - Coticules are expensive stones.]
Charnley Forest - 0.19
Llyn Idwal - 0.11



And then I dug out a few other things that I knew would come in quite expensive in terms of $/g, which is the result of a combination of rarity and having original boxes/labels/stamps.

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Top to bottom and left to right:
Pike Rosy Red Washita - 0.96 [This is actually a low-ish estimate for RRs. It could be as high as 1.50.]
JG Escher Saxonian Oilstone - 1.25 [An exceptionally rare stone and so difficult to estimate. It could be worth more than this.]
Escher & Co. Blue Thuringian - 0.75
Asano Mikawa Nagura Koma - 0.86



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So there you go - Jnats are certainly not unreasonably expensive relative to many other desirable types of natural whetstones. The reason it might seem that way on a stone by stone basis is that they're traditionally cut much larger than western stones, but priced by weight they can actually often look like very good value in comparison.

I'm sure a lot of people will have known that already, but others won't have, and it's interesting to crunch some numbers on I think.
 
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And a couple of other things to note before anyone else points them out...

Different types of rock have different densities, so if you did the same analysis on a $ per Volume basis then you'd get slightly different results. The Rosy Red and Asano Koma for instance would be cheaper relatively, and the Coticule and Thuris even more expensive.

$ per Use is an entirely different matter again. On that basis the Translucent Arkansas and Idwal (which will both still be around long after we've all died from global warming or fecked off to Mars) would easily be the best value stones there.

And lastly a disclaimer: ***Please don't anyone take this thread as some kind of price guideline when buying stones***. Natural stones vary hugely in quality and desirability, and prices depend on a number of different factors. My jnats there are not fancy examples of the type, and they're all pretty small or koppa, so represent the very low end of what they can cost. Whereas some of the other stones are at the very high end of what you could get the same or similar for. I was more just demonstrating that Japanese natural stones are certainly not 'overpriced' (imo).
 
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High quality Maruka, stamped Koma, and really high quality suita can definitely get into the >$1/g territory. I've seen asking prices getting up towards $2/g on really crazy suita. Those are exceptions though. I think most awasedo are closer to the $0.20-0.40/g range most of the time.
 
Yes. And for good reason. When you come across a good Shoubudani suita or ohira suita, it may be the last one you’ll ever get your hands on. And they leave an edge on your knife that no man made stone could ever hope to come near.


the thing that always annoys me whenever i come acorss a good ohira suita is that its not a washita
 
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And when it's a full size brick without visible flaws..oh man the collectors! Saw a koma couple months ago on auction, ended up around 300k yen I think. 🤣
Nice set of stones around the world btw!
 
Yes. And for good reason. When you come across a good Shoubudani suita or ohira suita, it may be the last one you’ll ever get your hands on. And they leave an edge on your knife that no man made stone could ever hope to come near.

Dang. That makes me feel pretty chipper about the Ohira I picked up on a mid-week auction when people weren’t paying attention.

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Thanks.
Helps me feel better when I’m thinking about the other stone I dropped and broke recently.
 
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