Are There Fake King Stones?

[The_Real_Self]

Looking at the King Deluxe 300 as I need something along those lines, found one at Amazon for $25 shipped. Seems to good to be true, even for one of the most inexpensive brands of stone. It says I can return unused items for a refund but if I start using it and it seems to not be the real deal (not sure how anyone can say for certain here) I don't know that I'd have any way of proving it's not real.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0050ADA2U/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AJFW9BT4LBE57&psc=1

 

[Heckel7302]

That’s the correct box and stone in the picture. Pretty sure I paid $25 for mine. It’s just an inexpensive stone. Great stone though. Excellent value for money.

 

[The_Real_Self]

That’s the correct box and stone in the picture. Pretty sure I paid $25 for mine. It’s just an inexpensive stone. Great stone though. Excellent value for money.

Do you know of any other sources that carry this line for about the same price? I hate using Amazon but having a hard time sourcing this one...

 

[Heckel7302]

Do you know of any other sources that carry this line for about the same price? I hate using Amazon but having a hard time sourcing this one...

I bought mine from Amazon. I’m sure other places carry it, but undoubtedly they’ll be more expensive and charge for shipping.

 

[Blank Blades.]

Yep $25 is just how much they cost lol.

I recently picked up a king 220 because i wanted to see how it did. And also its good having a few options in the coarse grit (for what i do).

 

[cotedupy]

Do it! Just think of poor Mr. Bezos, scraping together the pennies together to make ends meet this Christmas...

"No Jeff Jnr., I'm afraid we won't be having Turkey, it's tatties 'n' scrag again this year. People just can't read books any more you see, and daddy hasn't sold enough whetstones for a bird."

 

[The_Real_Self]

Do it! Just think of poor Mr. Bezos, scraping together the pennies together to make ends meet this Christmas...

"No Jeff Jnr., I'm afraid we won't be having Turkey, it's tatties 'n' scrag again this year. People just can't read books any more you see, and daddy hasn't sold enough whetstones for a bird."

Not quite what I was picturing but that was a good read, thank you for contributing!

 

[The_Real_Self]

Welp, looks like I'm gonna be a big spender and buy one of these from satan... I really can't afford much more now after getting charged for my backorder I place a couple weeks ago for a Spyderco Carter Line Minarai Nakiri. That should be a fun knife, I've got a couple Fujiwara nakiri's but I don't like how heavy he grinds them and really don't want to remake the knife. Ironically, i don't believe the Carter will be a good fit with this stone being stainless. Thinking on getting the King NEO 800 for this knife as it should have much more difficulty to grind than the Fujiwara's in White #1.

 

[Blank Blades.]

Welp, looks like I'm gonna be a big spender and buy one of these from satan... I really can't afford much more now after getting charged for my backorder I place a couple weeks ago for a Spyderco Carter Line Minarai Nakiri. That should be a fun knife, I've got a couple Fujiwara nakiri's but I don't like how heavy he grinds them and really don't want to remake the knife. Ironically, i don't believe the Carter will be a good fit with this stone being stainless. Thinking on getting the King NEO 800 for this knife as it should have much more difficulty to grind than the Fujiwara's in White #1.

I dont remember the steel they use for those. (maybe bd1? Idk). Anyway, the king will be fine for it.

 

[The_Real_Self]

I dont remember the steel they use for those. (maybe bd1? Idk). Anyway, the king will be fine for it.

BD1N is the steel. It will probably be fine for grinding on the narrow edge bevel but I expect glazing to occur quickly for thinning.

 

[labor of love]

Amazon just happens to usually offer the best deals on many stones. I picked up a shapton glass 4K for $53, 220 for $39, cerax 1k/3k for $38, etc etc.
You can even grab an Atoma 140 replacement sheet for $44 right now.

 

[cotedupy]

Welp, looks like I'm gonna be a big spender and buy one of these from satan... I really can't afford much more now after getting charged for my backorder I place a couple weeks ago for a Spyderco Carter Line Minarai Nakiri. That should be a fun knife, I've got a couple Fujiwara nakiri's but I don't like how heavy he grinds them and really don't want to remake the knife. Ironically, i don't believe the Carter will be a good fit with this stone being stainless. Thinking on getting the King NEO 800 for this knife as it should have much more difficulty to grind than the Fujiwara's in White #1.

Faustus curse thyself!

Really though - you can't go wrong with the low and mid grit King stones, they're really excellent. Was it the 300 you were going for? (The link seems to be the 1200).

 

[Blank Blades.]

BD1N is the steel. It will probably be fine for grinding on the narrow edge bevel but I expect glazing to occur quickly for thinning.

It could. It seemed to do alright for a magnacut knife i was working on, it did get a bit glazy, but I would expect bd1n do do even better on it.

Doing that previous surface conditioning, and keeping some loose abrasive on the stone will be important though.

 

[Blank Blades.]

Faustus curse thyself!

Really though - you can't go wrong with the low and mid grit King stones, they're really excellent. Was it the 300 you were going for? (The link seems to be the 1200).

$25 usd i believe.

 

[labor of love]

I know this stone isn’t part of the thread, but since we’re on the topic of low cost high value king stones I did want to ask if anyone has experience with this king 4K shihan carries King F-3 Sharpening Stone (4000) — shi.han fine knives
Seems like a great value.

 

[cotedupy]

I know this stone isn’t part of the thread, but since we’re on the topic of low cost high value king stones I did want to ask if anyone has experience with this king 4K shihan carries King F-3 Sharpening Stone (4000) — shi.han fine knives
Seems like a great value.

I do a bit...

It's a similar material to the 6k I think, doesn't glaze as much as that, but still a bit different in terms of composition (i.e. harder) to the 'Deluxe' 800/1000/1200. Not massively fast, and probably finishes a bit north of 4k.

Sometimes you see the same stone called the 'Ice Bear' 4k, and people seem to like it, though I personally don't rate it as highly as the Best-In-Class 800 and 1200. At around the same price - I'd take the Ouka any day of the week.

 

[The_Real_Self]

So I bought one from Amazon the other day. Actually the #1 reason for getting this stone is it seemed perfectly suited to using it for deburring off my 220 grit Tormek wheel using Kippington's deburring method described in another thread. I generally just use this grinder for reprofiling customers blades to specific angles and don't go for fancy polished edge bevels. The wheel leaves a massive burr and getting it off can be a pain in the butt.

I wanted something splash and go that was around that 220 grit level to get the stubborn burr off and hopefully this will work very fast and easily to cut off that heavy burr. If it turns out that it's good for other things that would just be a bonus for me. The main factor here is that it's coarse, cheap, non-soaking and wears very slowly! So it should last 4-5 lifetimes using it for this purpose even professionally, lol. It will be my first King Stone.

Thinking of trying the 800 and 1200 as well. What about these make them the best in class? @cotedupy

 

[Blank Blades.]

So I bought one from Amazon the other day. Actually the #1 reason for getting this stone is it seemed perfectly suited to using it for deburring off my 220 grit Tormek wheel using Kippington's deburring method described in another thread. I generally just use this grinder for reprofiling customers blades to specific angles and don't go for fancy polished edge bevels. The wheel leaves a massive burr and getting it off can be a pain in the butt.

I wanted something splash and go that was around that 220 grit level to get the stubborn burr off and hopefully this will work very fast and easily to cut off that heavy burr. If it turns out that it's good for other things that would just be a bonus for me. The main factor here is that it's coarse, cheap, non-soaking and wears very slowly! So it should last 4-5 lifetimes using it for this purpose even professionally, lol. It will be my first King Stone.

Thinking of trying the 800 and 1200 as well. What about these make them the best in class? @cotedupy

Theyre cheap! Lol

Also they feel nice to sharpen on, at least the 1200 does when permasoaked (i havent tried the 800). And can leave a very nice edge.

 

[labor of love]

The king deluxe 800 is more for polishing and won’t be great for edge sharpening.

 

[cotedupy]

So I bought one from Amazon the other day. Actually the #1 reason for getting this stone is it seemed perfectly suited to using it for deburring off my 220 grit Tormek wheel using Kippington's deburring method described in another thread. I generally just use this grinder for reprofiling customers blades to specific angles and don't go for fancy polished edge bevels. The wheel leaves a massive burr and getting it off can be a pain in the butt.

I wanted something splash and go that was around that 220 grit level to get the stubborn burr off and hopefully this will work very fast and easily to cut off that heavy burr. If it turns out that it's good for other things that would just be a bonus for me. The main factor here is that it's coarse, cheap, non-soaking and wears very slowly! So it should last 4-5 lifetimes using it for this purpose even professionally, lol. It will be my first King Stone.

Thinking of trying the 800 and 1200 as well. What about these make them the best in class? @cotedupy

Obviously it's all just personal preference, but here's what I like...

They feel very nice in use, are really quite fast, easy to use, deliver very good edges, and are great in a polishing progression. As well as being priced well below a lot of stones that they're way better than.

The 800 leans marginally toward being a better polishing stone (it's extraordinarily good), the 1200 slightly better for edges. Though really: both do both very well.

 

[Hassanbensober]

King also makes or made the cutest naguras I ever did see.
Not sure if anyone is faking the King stones but it could be that King would sell bulk stones for other’s to put their logos on. (Just speculation)

 

[cotedupy]

King also makes or made the cutest naguras I ever did see.
Not sure if anyone is faking the King stones but it could be that King would sell bulk stones for other’s to put their logos on. (Just speculation)

WHERE DO I GET THE KING COW MASCOT STONE?!?!??

 

[Blank Blades.]

I think we all need one of those naguras

 

[Blank Blades.]

Obviously it's all just personal preference, but here's what I like...

They feel very nice in use, are really quite fast, easy to use, deliver very good edges, and are great in a polishing progression. As well as being priced well below a lot of stones that they're way better than.

The 800 leans marginally toward being a better polishing stone (it's extraordinarily good), the 1200 slightly better for edges. Though really: both do both very well.

Arent you glad you tried permasoaking it a while back?

 

[Hassanbensober]

WHERE DO I GET THE KING COW MASCOT STONE?!?!??

Auction pick from a couple years ago. Glad I finally found a reason to let it out it’s box. Haven’t seen any others around

 

[henrymeows]

Another option is to use eBay and choose products from sellers with a lot of reviews. I've bought a few KING 1000/6000 that's been cheaper than market price from eBay. Not sure if they're counterfeit products or not, but they work well and the quality has been pretty consistent (I'm on my 3rd stone since I do the sharpening for my co-workers as well).

 

[cotedupy]

Arent you glad you tried permasoaking it a while back?

Most certainly! The 1200 is definitely improved by permasoaking. And I imagine the same for the 800; I've had 3 of them now I think, but I don't know if I've ever tried it not permasoaked. When I got my first I just chucked it in the bucket with the 1200 immediately.

If you haven't tried the 800 I'd definitely recommend. If I had to choose just one of them - I'd probably take that by a whisker because it's just so good for polishing.