Atoma #400 with handle

[Silverdicer]

Hi KNF,

I'm looking to purchase an Atoma Diamond Plate, and came across these interesting ones with the handles (attached photo).

Found one on ebay - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394894339090

Anyone have any experience with them..is it possible they could be fake Atoma plates?

 

[esoo]

I've never used one but seem them before in 140 grit. Specifically made for flattening stones

For example: https://knifetoronto.com/products/atoma-diamond-140-with-handle

 

[Silverdicer]

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm wanting it for, to flatten my stones..just wondering if anyone has any 'hands on' experience with them and I wonder if it's possible the ones on ebay could be fake, and maybe I should steer clear?

 

[esoo]

No idea, but for general flattening you'd was the 140, not the 400

 

[Silverdicer]

After watching this video, I decided that I would prefer the 400, but thank you.

 

[HumbleHomeCook]

Just say no to Burrfection.

 

[jedy617]

i aint watching that vid but ima tell you everyone on here uses a 140....

 

[esoo]

400 is usable for sharpening, not for flattening. And I have both the 140 and 400

 

[Silverdicer]

Hmm interesting, so it seems 'Burrfection' is seen as someone not to be listened to here on the forum?

Ok well, I'm sure you guys know better, I'll go with the 140 then, cheers.

 

[Tomas Randa]

I have the 140 and 400. I choose the 400 to flatten with because I think it will make my stones last longer because I am theoretically removing less stone. I also am assuming the finish on my stones will be better off the 400. Maybe I am wrong about this. I am a relatively novice sharpener so maybe someone better then me in the thread will debunk all above but it makes sense to me and so I will keep doing it this way. You can flatten fine with the 400.

 

[Heckel7302]

Hmm interesting, so it seems 'Burrfection' is seen as someone not to be listened to here on the forum?

Ok well, I'm sure you guys know better, I'll go with the 140 then, cheers.

Use your 140 enough and it will start performing like 400. I’d recommend not getting one with the handle. Then when your old 140 wears out you can stick a fresh 140 to the other side. Then you’ll have a great combo, fresh 140 for heavy flattening, worn 140 for higher grit stones and surface conditioning.

 

[Silverdicer]

I have the 140 and 400. I choose the 400 to flatten with because I think it will make my stones last longer because I am theoretically removing less stone. I also am assuming the finish on my stones will be better off the 400. Maybe I am wrong about this. I am a relatively novice sharpener so maybe someone better then me in the thread will debunk all above but it makes sense to me and so I will keep doing it this way. You can flatten fine with the 400.

Yeah, I was thinking the same as you, as I've read the 140 can be aggressive, but there's one thing reading about these things, and then getting feedback from people who actually have the experience lol.

It seems that opinions on it are actually not one sided as I first though from the replies in this thread, and having a look around this forum, it seems the 400 can still be a good choice too - https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/threads/which-stones-can-be-flattened-with-atoma-400.69191/

Thanks for sharing your experience with the 400, I appreciate it

 

[Silverdicer]

Use your 140 enough and it will start performing like 400. I’d recommend not getting one with the handle. Then when your old 140 wears out you can stick a fresh 140 to the other side. Then you’ll have a great combo, fresh 140 for heavy flattening, worn 140 for higher grit stones and surface conditioning.

That's actually a great idea regarding not going with the handle, that way I could even go with the 140, then later purchase a 400 and stick it on the other side, for the 'best of both worlds'

Cheers!

 

[Tomas Randa]

Also depends on the stone. Naniwa pro needs a lot less flattening then a cerax. So when I re profiled some abused beater knives from work with cerax stones the 140 plate is handy. I use the 400 plate the flatten slower wearing stones.

 

[Silverdicer]

Also depends on the stone. Naniwa pro needs a lot less flattening then a cerax. So when I re profiled some abused beater knives from work with cerax stones the 140 plate is handy. I use the 400 plate the flatten slower wearing stones.

I currently have the Shapton pro #1000, looking to possibly purchase the SP #5000, or #3000 chosera/chocera next.

 

[HumbleHomeCook]

I like a coarser diamond stone for flattening because I can cover most any grit with it. Unless you sharpen a lot, most of your stones are going to last for many, many years. I currently use a Nano Hone NL-4 for everything up through 4k and before that I used a 140.

For J-Nats, I'd defer to those who use them.

Oh and if I didn't say it before, just say no to Burrfection.

 

[Mikeadunne]

I have the 140 and 400. I choose the 400 to flatten with because I think it will make my stones last longer because I am theoretically removing less stone. I also am assuming the finish on my stones will be better off the 400. Maybe I am wrong about this. I am a relatively novice sharpener so maybe someone better then me in the thread will debunk all above but it makes sense to me and so I will keep doing it this way. You can flatten fine with the 400.

No offense but this makes very little sense if you’re just trying to even out a stone to flat. 400 just takes you longer to get there

 

[jedy617]

Hmm interesting, so it seems 'Burrfection' is seen as someone not to be listened to here on the forum?

Ok well, I'm sure you guys know better, I'll go with the 140 then, cheers.

He is not liked here. I will say, for a casual viewer I don't think he is the worst, and some of his videos helped me out when I was learning to sharpen. However, he has some theories about sharpening and gives advice that a lot of enthusiasts do not agree with. I think he is a fine stepping off point for someone newer to get interested in sharpening and get some basics down and then move on from there. He did get me into the chosera 800 and 3k for some of my first sharpening stones and those were really good recommendations.

 

[aporigine]

He is not liked here. I will say, for a casual viewer I don't think he is the worst, and some of his videos helped me out when I was learning to sharpen. However, he has some theories about sharpening and gives advice that a lot of enthusiasts do not agree with. I think he is a fine stepping off point for someone newer to get interested in sharpening and get some basics down and then move on from there. He did get me into the chosera 800 and 3k for some of my first sharpening stones and those were really good recommendations.

He was real quick to hop on the merch train.

 

[kujaku]

Hmm interesting, so it seems 'Burrfection' is seen as someone not to be listened to here on the forum?

Ok well, I'm sure you guys know better, I'll go with the 140 then, cheers.

His channel has a video called "Stop Flattening Your Whetstones".

 

[jedy617]

He was real quick to hop on the merch train.

You mean his knife shop? To be fair I think most of the stuff he sells is priced similarly to other retailers. I would still shop elsewhere as I have lots of other stores I like to support, and he usually doesn't get anything super interesting in...

 

[Nemo]

I have this in 140 and 400. FWIW, mine came from KnS.

The 140 gets more use. I tend to reserve the 400 for finer stones which generally need less material removed. And may or may not benefit from the finer scratch pattern.

The handle makes them super easy to use.

 

[aporigine]

You mean his knife shop? To be fair I think most of the stuff he sells is priced similarly to other retailers. I would still shop elsewhere as I have lots of other stores I like to support, and he usually doesn't get anything super interesting in...

Not his knife shop so much as branded merch.

 

[jedy617]

Not his knife shop so much as branded merch.

hmm never seen it, but I stopped watching long ago

 

[DHunter86]

For flattening, I'd defer to the 140 any day. For surface conditioning of JNats, either the 400 or the 600. I find that the handle is really helpful when doing a lot of flattening work. But if just done casually after every session, a two sided plate would be more convenient and less costly overall.

Using the 400 for flattening leads to stiction on finer stones, much less on the 140.

 

[dtro]

This is the best way to get a 140 in the UK. You can get it next day if you want to pay a fiver more.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atoma-Diam...d=1722694502&sprefix=atoma+140,aps,132&sr=8-1

 

[dtro]

I currently have the Shapton pro #1000, looking to possibly purchase the SP #5000, or #3000 chosera/chocera next.

You seen the rockstars cheap on eBay, I have the 320 and 1000 from them. No issues

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/39547651...w4fn-3ht0e&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

[Silverdicer]

This is the best way to get a 140 in the UK. You can get it next day if you want to pay a fiver more.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atoma-Diamond-Sharpener-Coarse-Grade/dp/B00BN32EXY/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=T7GVO4LML8NO&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.OqrivuU-LCtvzol9G5EIg8VxcGlWhzNLdbojix5b1PkirH5K6iq_Hvt5ctn4ruL1bcxI_4tdqqiMLiZmn9RyGAKYOcZ7d1HFlBaJMfdSs3-QNAaeZEv3mOQvElxlCzHRNiNWXN-wBMyG54qa57F8FKpErtZqAipLTl_D2R843Pq65rIJEXteVDsBUksXETdVUwIAwwfjMZbEa-xEjAtpsQ.gJ35X19oqyI7ZBk_U3OpbP53QF2D_CkvZugSwWi9Qts&dib_tag=se&keywords=atoma+140&qid=1722694502&sprefix=atoma+140,aps,132&sr=8-1

Yep that's where I will be ordering from, I have prime so should be free next day delivery, cheers.

You seen the rockstars cheap on eBay, I have the 320 and 1000 from them. No issues

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/39547651...w4fn-3ht0e&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

I've heard they're good for their price for sure.

 

[Redwax]

I prefer the 400 Atoma on finer stones, but I don't tend to let them get too dished. It just leaves a much better finish.

The 140 obviously is better for faster removal. I use the 140 for stones up to maybe 1000-2000 grit. Over that I would use the 400.

Actually I've pretty much switched over to using SiC grit for most of my flattening.

 

[Silverdicer]

Thought I'd post an update on this..

I purchased the #140 and I have to say, I'm glad I did!

Now, I knew my SP #1000 was dished, but I didn't realise by how much.


I hardly placed any pressure using the atoma, and it took roughly 8 minutes on one side, and around 10 minutes on the other!

Now that I have the atoma, I won't allow it to get that bad again BUT, I think it was partly because when I first started learning to sharpen, I think I was putting too much pressure on the stone, which I adjusted over time.

Checking back though, the stone is a little over two years old so I guess that could be about right?

If I had gone for the #400, I think it would have taken forever honestly..

BUT, I do see the stone has been left with a slightly rougher surface, although I did go extremely lighty, so I could see how the #400 would be great to use after the #140, so I'll look to purchase it as soon as possible.

I forgot to take some before pics, but here are some after..