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I wonder if anyone here has experience with the (Imanishi) Bester 2000?

The Bester 1200 is a really good stone, it would be interesting to find out if the Bester 2000 is also that good.
 

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i have the cleancut kitayama 4k. and i think it might be the exact same stone as the bester 4k from fine-tools.
they come in the exact same box...


but if i read on fine tools they say this:
These stones work well on stainless steel as well as high-carbon and tool steels. The 400, 4000 and 8000 grit stones are somewhat harder than the 700, 1000, 1200, and 2000 grit stones.

fairly certain my 4k is a resin bound stone, and its also very light weight. dont soak up water. so the 2k would be not resin bound most likely, and softer most likely. whatever now that might be.

i'm only 95% sure this is the stone i have though. compared to other stones i have in this grit range i think it gouges easier but it creates a good kasumi eaiser. it feels very creamy.

shapton glass 4k is faster, and stays flatter. dont really matter much in this grit range though.

dont know how well this will translate to the 2k. its probably not even the same chemistry. but its probably the same maker.

for the 2k range i think both the glass and pro shaptons are killer and also the naniwa pro is good (but it cracks) and i have a feeling no matter who makes it, no other stones will beat those 3 by a big enough margin to be worth switching.
and thats whats it pretty much boils down to for me. can you make a significantly better 2k stone than these?? no? then why should i buy that? why even take chance?
 

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I know, own and love the two 2000 Shapton Pro and Glass.

Generally I like the 2000 range very much, I have more stones in this range.

Since the Bester 1200 is my favorite soaker (a fantastic stone), I'm curious about the Bester 2000.

And Naniwa Chosera / Pro is not an option, I find the prices excessively high.
 

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but if i read on fine tools they say this:
These stones work well on stainless steel as well as high-carbon and tool steels. The 400, 4000 and 8000 grit stones are somewhat harder than the 700, 1000, 1200, and 2000 grit stones.
At least for the 1200 the description is not correct, it is very hard!
 

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maybe you will have to buy it and try it out.
 

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Here is my little review of the bester 2k

its a soaker.
very hard.
release little or no abrasive.
doesn't feel super nice and creamy but not bad.
no problems with powder SS.
if very very careful it can create a fairly good kasumi contrast.
usually it removes all contrast though! (can be seen in the blade pic where its silver colored).
good even scratch pattern.
impossible to clean.

its a workhorse stone meant to get sh1t done fairly fast.
allinall its very similar to the Juuma 2k. but the juuma is better.

bester2k 1.JPG


bester2k 2.JPG
 

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Thank you for sharing your impressions.

I like what I can see from your report. Since I already have the Bester 1200 and really appreciate it, I will probably give the Bester 2000 a chance soon ...
 

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i would get the juuma 2k instead. it does everything the bester does but a bit better imo. and its thicker, and maybe a bit cheaper too.
 

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I know, own and love the two 2000 Shapton Pro and Glass.

Generally I like the 2000 range very much, I have more stones in this range.

Since the Bester 1200 is my favorite soaker (a fantastic stone), I'm curious about the Bester 2000.

And Naniwa Chosera / Pro is not an option, I find the prices excessively high.
Any idea how the Bester 1200 compares to the Cerax 1000?
 

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I can only compare it to the Cerax 700. It's harder in comparison.

Otherwise, @inferno's observations also apply to the Bester 1200:
Perfect, just what I wanted to know, Thanks. In that case i wont look past the Cerax 1000 for kasumi finish for yanagiba sharpening.
 

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the 3k cerax/ouka is very nice for kasumi if you want some contrast but still refined and smooth scratch pattern imo.
 

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the 3k cerax/ouka is very nice for kasumi if you want some contrast but still refined and smooth scratch pattern imo.
Thanks, I thought of getting one of those and maybe also a 6000, but since I already had a Kitayama 8000 I got a Rika 5000. The jump from Cerax 1000 to Rika 5000 seems fine, the kasumi seems nice as well but I'm very new at this.
 
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