Cangshan Thomas Keller Signature series - RWL34

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  1. Aug 13, 2019 #1

    demcav

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    Have any of you seen or tried the newly released TKeller series of knives made by the Chinese knife maker Cangshan? The blades are made from RWL34 produced by Damasteel of Sweden. The blades on the prototypes were etched as having been heat treated to HRC 65 (+/- 2). However, the blades of the production knives (currently exclusive to Williams Sonoma) are etched as being heat treated to HRC 61 (+/- 2). I'm not familiar with this steel, so if any of you are, do you think the HRC was lowered to reduce chipping or for ease of sharpening (or both)?
     
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    Thank you, HRC_64, for the links to data regarding RWL34 and similar/equivalent steels!
     
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    Been a lot of posts about this series of knives on all the various knife related forums recently. They look like hot garbage, and all of these posts by new accounts look really suspect.
     
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    Hi Barclid,

    I did a search for information about these knives prior to posting this thread. Unfortunately, no knife forums were returned from my search for Cangshan Keller Signature knives, which is the reason I began this thread. If you have found links to other knife forums that discuss this knife series, would you please post a link to them so I can learn from their discussion. I'm assuming that "hot garbage" is not a good thing in your response. Can you please elaborate?

    Thank you!
     
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    Hot garbage is not a good thing.
     
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    Made in china
     
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    "Hot garbage" is what Paris Hilton was trying to be a while back. The hot part was eluding her, though.
     
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    I thought that was the Kardashians.
     
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    Okay, thanks for cluing me in on "hot garbage". It's probably vernacular that some of my culinary students here at the college would be familiar with -- but they think all their garbage is "hot"! ;-)

    Back to my original post, however -- anyone familiar with these TK signature knives?
     
  11. Aug 14, 2019 #11

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    I've been noticing this same thing, and coming to similar conclusion. o_O
     
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    Slickmamba, could you please point me to posts that you've seen regarding these knives? My searches aren't finding any...promotions and ads for them, yes, but no real knife-user discussion on the experience using them. Thank you!
     
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    OP...here's my $0.02

    + expensive chef = bad sign
    + expensive steel = bad sign
    + made in china = bad sign
    + chain store = bad sign

    Most people on KKF wouldn't go out of there way to buy/test these kind of knives...

    side note: CPM154 is fine as a steel buy itself.
     
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    Yeah op, you may just have to venture out and try these, if you are that curious. I checked them out online. i think you will have a hard time waiting for vets to buy these.
     
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    I have come to that conclusion as well. So, placed an order for the 8" chef using my pro-chef account. Didn't want to take too much risk by buying the 10" without hearing from anyone who has used these knives, and with the 20% discount and free shipping it won't be a huge loss if I end up passing it on to a student.

    I also made a call to Cangshan, inquiring about the reason for the reduction in the HRC from 65 to 61. The rep is gifting me one of the 65 HRC prototypes from their warehouse to compare with the production model I ordered and am waiting to receive. Looking forward to seeing how they perform in comparison to my other powdered steel (SG2) knives.
     
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    After you use them, tell us what you think.
     
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    I would be glad to for anyone who is truly interested. Thanks all.
     
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    OP you have a "pro chef" account with this company and they just "gifted you" prototypes?

    WTF00k
     
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    No, I made a purchase through the retail seller (WS) with whom I have a pro-chef account. WS did not gift me anything other than a 20% discount on any purchase.
    The gift of a prototype is from a rep at Cangshan. And that's the FOOk. ;-)
     
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    OK, I think I got this figued out:

    Step 1: return chinese junk knife to williams sonoma
    Step 2: play around with "free" prototype knife until it breaks
    Step 3: profit

    :D
     
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    Whoa, I'm impressed. Hope it didn't take you too long to figure that out.

    Seriously though, I guess I'm not too concerned since WS will allow a return with free shipping if I'm not pleased with the purchase. And I am appreciative to Cangchan for the free prototype so that I can compare its 65 HRC to 61 of the production model. And who knows, if I discover that it's better than some of the guesses are suggesting, I might end up returning the 8" for the 10". I am aware that Cangshan is a young (and Chinese) company, but I'm getting the sense that in spite of these perceived drawbacks, the owner is attempting to make significant strides in the reputation of Chinese goods. I hope it's not just marketing BS. I'll find out pretty soon!
     
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    Oops, double-posted, so deleted duplicate.
     
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    Good luck OP...
     
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    Cheers to you, guinea pig knife user! :cool:
     
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    Right, M1k3...who's to know if no one tries. And it's not that big a gamble given the steel seems to have a decent reputation, my cost to play, and WS's money-back policy if not pleased. I'm going at this with an open mind...you know, "nothing ventured, nothing gained."

    Cheers to you too!
     
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    I'd say it's worth it just for the prototype. But hearing whether they are a yay or nay from actual experience is better than conjecture.
     
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    Did a quick background check on the company (I’m assuming it’s 苍山刀具) they don’t actually sell directly in the mainland. In Fact the name isn’t trademarked here and almost all searches turn up amazon or alibaba (that’s an export only site) links. I can’t imagine them being vastly more skilled than other contact manufacturers, but one never knows.
     
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    Up arrow up arrow up arrow this.

    Perhaps op will offer a pass around. Would enjoy reading impressions of disinterested users.

    Keller has probably earned some leeway but I don't see how Cangshan can best MAC given the above.
     
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    I don't have high hopes. Just better to know for sure than guessing.
     
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    That's my thought too. And just to be clear, I have no desire to try to convince anyone of anything...my interest here is just to learn; and as I convey to my college students, learning requires an open and curious mind.
     
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