Confused between a Gyuto and Nakiri

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That same old chestnut: Gyuto vs. every other blade in existence.

Gyuto is a great all rounder but not specialised at all. In a home setting (low volume of prep) a 210 Gyuto is all you need.

Nakiri is lots more fun. It is flatter, thinner grind and extra height all make for easier push cutting, chopping and push cutting.

My personal home set up is:
210 Gyuto
210 nakiri
180 nakiri
150 Petty (scouting BST for a stainless clad AS)
Bread knife.

I need nothing more (but I keep rotating through buying and selling).

Stainless clad petty:
https://japanesechefsknife.com/collections/aogami-super-carbon-steel-blue-super-steel/products/takeshi-saji-aogami-super-custom-series-petty-130mm-and-150mm-irownwood-handle

better yet, when this comes in stock:
https://japanesechefsknife.com/collections/aogami-super-carbon-steel-blue-super-steel/products/jck-natures-deep-impact-series-petty-120mm-and-150mm
 
Are there any kamagata nakiris? I thought this was a style of usuba. I assumed that the nakiri version was something like a bunka or a flat profile santoku.

Clearly I rambled too much. Sorry.

There are two "flavors" of Usuba, yes. Usuba is single-bevel and excels at specific Japanese vegetable preparations. Nakiri is double-bevel and is a more general purpose vegetable knife. Nakiri generally resembles the more common Usaba in profile.

I think those are all facts.

Specifically to address the point question/issue, I (thought I) made up a new Nakiri profile like the Kamagata Usubas. (I learned these terms from Jon's Q/A last Sunday. There's a link in the JKI forum, so you can see what he really said!) Turns out that phase has been used, I found one here and linked to the 2013 thread. However, if you were to find one for sale today, you'd need connections or better search skills than I have.

Given all that maybe a thin flat Santoku would suit the OP's needs. (And I've got to go googling "bunka", since that's new to me.)

Dave
 
I'd say to go with a nakiri, but one that will resell easily if you decide that it's not for you.

Down to specifics, I suggest the Watanabe. It's a carbon core with stainless cladding, and one of the best grinds available. It fits into your budget. The standard handle is nothing special, so look into an upgrade with a horn ferrule instead of a plastic one.

nakkiri180_big1.jpg


http://www.kitchen-knife.jp/pro/nakkiri.htm

Finally decided on Watanabe Nakiri.
Thank for your 'smart' suggestion :)
 
While a gyuto is versatile and multi-utility as you say, it doesn't excel in any area. Other knifes are better at specific tasks, that is chopping or slicing, but they don't have the gyuto's all around ability.

The nakiri is well suited to prepping vegetables. It's light nimble and precise. A relatively flat edge makes it ideal for chopping, mincing and push cutting. The only knife that might be better than a nakiri and its debatable would be a vegetable cleaver. The cleaver would be able to handle larger amounts of prep, easier then a nakiri, but it wouldn't be as precise, nimble, or as light as a nakiri.

The short comings of a nakiri is its length. Larger fruits and vegetables could be challenging. From what I've read, Chinese cooks and chefs supplement their cleavers with slicing and utility knifes. You might want to consider a knife that compliments a nakiri, instead of just replacing your Victorinox with a gyuto.


Good luck with your decision.

Jay

I have used nakiri in home setting for several years. And a gyuto is hands down a better tool for veg prep in general. Nakiri excels in scooping power, but nothing that taller gyuto can't do.
I still use a nakiri once in a while for "change of scenery" and fun factor but overall it's a lesser option. I think a Nakiri is something that everybody should try (and perhaps it will suite your style), but it should not be a priority especially as a first or a substitute knife.
 
Highly unlikely :biggrin:

Yes agree..Would come nowhere near to collection of the great people out here.
Though 1 day I would love a collection :
1 210 Gyuto
1 180 Nakiri
1 150 - 180 Petty
1 Paring

Would love that Gyuto to be a Shig or a Kato..but I guess I will have to work my way up. Its good in a way as I would understand and be able to appreciate the finer details of Shig/Kato..may be the F&F, finishing, etc.
But going by the demand, saving needs to start from today..:p
 
Also I feel would be comfortable with a Nakkiri as I am used to a local knife of below profile..common thing being a flat edge
 
Also I feel would be comfortable with a Nakkiri as I am used to a local knife of below profile..common thing being a flat edge

Sorry unable to post image.I think permissions pending :(
Would have shown you the local Indian knife..:p
 
Thank you all for your suggestions and guidance.
Deeply grateful to you all.
 
I would add that the other shortcoming of the nakiri is the absence of a tip.

Or it can be an advantage if you are working in small spaces.

A nakiri or vegetable cleaver has a tip. Lift up the handle and the tip is similar to box knife, which is helpful with pull cuts.

In the produce departments, at least in the Pacific Northwest, the grocers use nakiri shaped knifes to trim fruits and vegetables.

A sujihiki and petty have a more traditional tip. Again a knife to compliment a nakiri.

A gyuto might be the only knife that is needed but it is much nicer to have a knife that is suited for the job. A nakiri or vegetable cleaver are better knifes for vegetable prep then a gyuto. Where it isn't practical to use two or three knifes, then a gyuto is the right choice.

One of the things I enjoy about Japanese knifes is trying out the different types. I picked up a nakiri and was impressed with how easily it chopped vegetables. My family has large gatherings, so I wanted a knife that could handle large amounts of prep work. That lead me to vegetable cleaver.

A vegetable cleaver that is 210 x 110mm or larger is everything the forum doesn't like in a knife. It's heavy, cumbersome, thick, etc.... To use a vegetable cleaver is all about technique. They can't be muscled around. Learning how to use a vegetable cleaver noticeably improved my skills with a gyuto. A 300mm gyuto feels small in the hand.

What's next after a nakiri and vegetable cleaver? A kamagata usuba. It's still early in the learning process, but it will be interesting to find out what the knife can do.

A person in a restaurant kitchen with the pressure to get everything done yesterday is going to choose knives that are proven to work in that environment, namely a gyuto. The rest of us have the time to explore knifes that might be better suited to our kitchens such as a nakiri.

Jay
 
Congratulations! Do be sure to let us know how you like it; it helps people who read the thread in the future make their own decisions and the rest of us like to see how it came out. :)
 
Yes agree..Would come nowhere near to collection of the great people out here.
Though 1 day I would love a collection :
1 210 Gyuto
1 180 Nakiri
1 150 - 180 Petty
1 Paring

Would love that Gyuto to be a Shig or a Kato..but I guess I will have to work my way up. Its good in a way as I would understand and be able to appreciate the finer details of Shig/Kato..may be the F&F, finishing, etc.
But going by the demand, saving needs to start from today..:p

Yeah, that's what I thought too....

Enjoy the Wat. It's on my "want to try list"
 
One more query frnds,
How important is Saya for resell?
I have a separate compartment for my knives in the drawer and would not require it on regular basis.
One in 10th chance, if I have to resell the knife, would the saya be the deal breaker?

Cost wise Saya is costing 3/5th of the knife value, which feels substantial starting out.
 
No need for a saya generally. It's a nice bonus only.
 
Thirding the sentiment that a saya is "nice". For transport or long-term storage, a cardboard sheath works just as well, for free.
 
I'd say to go with a nakiri, but one that will resell easily if you decide that it's not for you.

Down to specifics, I suggest the Watanabe. It's a carbon core with stainless cladding, and one of the best grinds available. It fits into your budget. The standard handle is nothing special, so look into an upgrade with a horn ferrule instead of a plastic one.

nakkiri180_big1.jpg


http://www.kitchen-knife.jp/pro/nakkiri.htm

+1 on this guy
 
Finally the Watanabe Nakiri 180 mm arrived yesterday. Looks pretty big, but was surprised as it felt very light in the hand.
The knife itself looks so awesome that haven't yet made any cuts with it. This weekend booked to learn about sharpening and proper care/maintenance of the knife.
 
Hi Alok, I think you're going to be very happy with it and good on you for setting aside the time for learning how to take care of it. It enriches the enjoyment of these tools so much
 
Alok I look forward to your thoughts on this knife.

Valgard - same for you!

Believe it or not I don't have a watanabe 180 pro yet...

Captain I did a rather extensive review a while back. Need to update it and make a decent video but have been a bit swamped and also other toys require my attention [emoji6]. My thoughts are that if you like a tall and hefty nakiri this is very hard to beat.
 
Alok I look forward to your thoughts on this knife.

Valgard - same for you!

Believe it or not I don't have a watanabe 180 pro yet...

But you have the Kato 180 Damascus! It will make for a great comparison. How is the Kato Nakiri working out for you Capt?
 
Well, the difference between a gytuo and nakiri are quite simple.

Gyutos are for cooking, and Nakiris are for housewives making tuna salad.
 
Well, the difference between a gytuo and nakiri are quite simple.

Gyutos are for cooking, and Nakiris are for housewives making tuna salad.

Do your parents know you are surfing a knives site?
 
Its just my way of saying nakiris have no place in a professional kitchen.
Two points: 1) This site (and even this thread) isn't only about professional kitchens. 2) Some professionals here choose to use a nakiri when a lot of veg prep is required, as they're more suitable than the alternatives.
 
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