Michi
I dislike attempts to rewrite history
BTW, I've heard that many epidemiologists predict that, eventually, every single person in Australia will get Covid. It's just a matter of when.
that is pretty much my thought and what I hear reputable virologists say from the very start of this journey.BTW, I've heard that many epidemiologists predict that, eventually, every single person in Australia will get Covid. It's just a matter of when.
Can we stop “horse dewormer” nonsense. Ivermectin is approved by FDA for human use. I am not suggesting it should be used to treat COVID, but calling it horse dewormer makes it very hard to take seriously anything else people spilling this nonsense say.Here in the US, 91 to 99 percent “depending on the source” of people in the hospital with Covid are the unvaccinated. That makes it pretty clear, to me anyway that the number one goal for every country in the world should be to get people vaccinated. This may seem obvious but here in the states we have so much disinformation being pushed by certain media and Facebook that something has to be done. I have several friends who are either Drs., Nurses or Pharmacists and they are at the end of their ropes. They cannot continue down this road and hope to come out on the other side intact. This is all much too difficult for them after this much time in the trenches. And with the constant threats they’re getting from loved ones who hire lawyers because they won’t give the critically ill horse dewormer is beyond insane.
Right.Ivermectin is approved by FDA for human use.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms.
Like I said not suggesting it should be taken for COVID. Doesn’t change the fact that it is a drug approved for human consumption and has been taken by millions or more people through out the world. Like most other drugs it can be dangerous when used inappropriately.
Here in the States there are Very few Drs., if any who will prescribe Ivermectin to people who are trying to use it for Covid. So, the people who are using it to treat Covid are buying horse dewormer. That is a fact.
I beg to differ....it's not the same...the labeled use is quite different, it would be similar if Ivermectin would have been approved for Covid treatment, or any other antiviral effect...it is not..Doesn’t change the fact that calling it horse dewormer is misleading. The drug has been used for 40 years, scientists who discovered it received a Nobel prize. When used appropriately for its intended purpose and with a correct dosage it is safe and side effects are well understood. It’s like saying we should stop taking amoxicillin because it is fish antibiotic.
I've heard reports from a number of epidemiologists who fear that this might turn into a disease for children, seeing that no-one under the age of 12 can receive a vaccine yet.
I've heard that many epidemiologists predict that, eventually, every single person in Australia will get Covid. It's just a matter of when.
Again... maybe like seasonal flu, we will need to update the vaccines every few years... I hope not!!
Not employing hyperbolic or inflammatory language is going to help, if anything. Idk that anything said in the covid discussion thread is going to effect significant change elsewhere, but ridiculing people isn't helpful when you're trying to convince them of something. And with so much disinformation coming from those who are promoting things like Ivermectin, doesn't it seem like a good idea not to be misleading when you talk about it? Hard to take the high ground when you're not being completely straightforward and transparent, even if calling Ivermectin a horse dewormer isn't on the same scale of disinformation as saying that it'll cure covid.
there are no marginal cases of I think I'll go down to the feed supply store and buy some horse branded ivermectin paste. I legitimately dont understand how so many folks are convinced that the primary thing driving this behavior is how the "other side" talks about it.
Yowzer... hard not to interpret those results through a political lens
Looking at another data set wastewater tracking provides an interesting window into the number of active infections. Since not everyone with the virus gets tested and not all testing is aggregated into a central data set wastewater is, at least arguably, a more comprehensive indicator. We thank the Boston area KKF members (shoutout to @ian) for their contributions to this data. Massachusetts has one of the higher fully vaccinated rates (around 68%? - the Boston area may be higher) but the numbers are notably higher than the summer lulls of 2020 or 2021 although not near the height of the 12/20 - 2/21 rate.
Thank you for admitting your ignorance. Does anyone remember last year pre-election when vaccine hesitancy went up among Democrats? There was a fear that Trump was fast-tracking something potentially dangerous for political reasons. And then a year later these same people were calling for the FDA to ignore its protocol and fast-track full approval under Biden. My intent isn't to be overtly political beyond offering an counter-example for how everyone changes their behavior based on what the 'other side' is saying.I legitimately dont understand how so many folks are convinced that the primary thing driving this behavior is how the "other side" talks about it.
Thank you for admitting your ignorance. Does anyone remember last year pre-election when vaccine hesitancy went up among Democrats? There was a fear that Trump was fast-tracking something potentially dangerous for political reasons. And then a year later these same people were calling for the FDA to ignore its protocol and fast-track full approval under Biden. My intent isn't to be overtly political beyond offering an counter-example for how everyone changes their behavior based on what the 'other side' is saying.
We're suggesting that following the available scientific evidence will help achieve a better public health outcome, ie, engaging in less needlessly inflammatory rhetoric on a public forum will ever so slightly reduce vaccine resistance. But you see this as 'protecting their feelings.' I think that's an interesting tell, nearly an admission that your goal is primarily to hurt the feelings of your opponents despite the (admittedly marginal) cost to public health. So whose feelings is this really about?
Wow, I had no idea they were doing that. Really cool.
Your point is lost due to bad presentation and incorrect message. Your tired friends would not prescribe people horse paste, at least I hope they wouldn't. They would prescribe human approved medicine which is safe for human consumption when taken as prescribed. They should not prescribe it for covid since it hasn't been approved to treat covid. If you want to get people vaccinated, you need to know why they choose not to. Just assuming that they are dumb won't help you resolve the issue. I have many friends who are doctors and pharmacists who refuse to vaccinate, I disagree with them and don't understand their reasons, but I definitely don't think they are morons.Anyone who changes their stance depending on what the other side says isn’t a very deep thinker and probably isn’t able to make good decisions on there own. The reason the message was questioned at the beginning was because of the messenger, nothing more. I find it humorous that so much is being made of me pointing out the ignorance of people who are willing to eat a dewormer drug for a deadly virus that has a life saving vaccine available to them for free. Whether ivermectin is approved for human consumption is irrelevant since it’s certainly not approved for Covid. My point I was trying to make wasn’t that stupid people eat horse paste, it was that the smart people in the medical industry have had enough of these people and their Facebook medical degrees. I have friends who are tired and if we don’t continue to get people vaccinated at a very high rate something is going to break.
Thank you for admitting your ignorance. Does anyone remember last year pre-election when vaccine hesitancy went up among Democrats? There was a fear that Trump was fast-tracking something potentially dangerous for political reasons. And then a year later these same people were calling for the FDA to ignore its protocol and fast-track full approval under Biden. My intent isn't to be overtly political beyond offering an counter-example for how everyone changes their behavior based on what the 'other side' is saying.
We're suggesting that following the available scientific evidence will help achieve a better public health outcome, ie, engaging in less needlessly inflammatory rhetoric on a public forum will ever so slightly reduce vaccine resistance. But you see this as 'protecting their feelings.' I think that's an interesting tell, nearly an admission that your goal is primarily to hurt the feelings of your opponents despite the (admittedly marginal) cost to public health. So whose feelings is this really about?
Since you asked... You tend to resort to ad hominem attacks when you've lost an argument. Case in point.also love the internet psychologist game tell me more about myself Dr. Freud.
I also worry about indigenous and remote communities. @Nemo probably knows a thing or two about rural health networks. It would have been nice to take advantage of the increased vaccination rates in NSW and remain locked down just a wee bit longer to:
I think the politicians and media have been using a broad-brush and are too keen assume the average is good enough. Sydney is not the same as Walgett by a long stretch...
- allow regional/rural NSW to get more vaccines out there
- alleviate pressure on the health system even further before taking our foot off the breaks
In the long run I expect that will be the case. If there was ever a chance to eradicate the virus.... it was very near the beginning. I suppose its future is probably going to look something like seasonal flu??
I guess the goal for now is to vaccinate as many people as we can. Interestingly that will change the selection pressure placed on SARS-CoV-2. Delta seems geared towards maximum transmission. A large population of vaccinated people will provide resistance to that. I guess that new selection pressure will favour mutations that are better adapted to withstanding an immune response. Again... maybe like seasonal flu, we will need to update the vaccines every few years... I hope not!! It would be much better if the virulence of SARS-CoV-2 diminished and it just became a minor background, inconvenience.
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