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  1. Feb 23, 2019 #1

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    Konosuke has many current product lines. I would like to create a thread that authoritatively lists the differences between them. As a Konosuke newbie, I don't know enough about these product lines to inform buying decisions, so I seek help to get this compiled!

    Konosuke Fujiyama FM
    * Produced: Sakai, Osaka
    * Blacksmith: Yoshikazu Tanaka
    * Sharpener: Unknown
    * Grind: full convex

    Konosuke Fujiyama FT
    * Produced: Sakai, Osaka
    * Blacksmith: Yoshikazu Tanaka

    Konosuke MM
    * Produced: Sakai, Osaka
    * Blacksmith: Mizuki Mori
    * Blue #2, soft iron clad or Ginsan, stainless clad

    Konosuke Keiai T1
    * Produced: Sakai, Osaka
    * White #1, soft stainless clad

    Konosuke Keiai NT
    * Stainless, C 1-1.3%, high V, high Cr

    Konosuke Sanjo YS
    * Produced: Sanjo, Niigata
    * Maker: Yoshikane
    * Semi-stainless, stainless clad, HRC 63-64

    Konosuke HD2
    * Produced: Sakai, Osaka
    * Semi-stainless, monosteel, HRC 61

    Konosuke GS+
    * Semi-stainless, stainless clad, HRC 61-62

    Konosuke Ginsan

    Konosuke Swedish Stainless
    * Produced: Sakai, Osaka
    * Fine-grained Swedish stainless, monosteel, HRC 60-61
    * Laser cut

    Konosuke VG10 Damascus
    * Produced: Sakai, Osaka
    * Blacksmith: Shiraki
    * VG-10, stainless Damascus clad

    Konosuke MB
    * Produced: Sanjo, Niigata
    * Blacksmith: Mutsumi Hinoura
    * White #2, stainless clad, HRC 63-64

    Konosuke YM
    * Produced: Sakai, Osaka
    * Blacksmith: Son of Yoshikazu Tanaka
    * White #2, soft iron clad
     
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    Categorize into forged (sakai, sanjo), stamped. That's the main category. I don't really wanna do it myself, but that's it basically.
     
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    Any information that is provided here, I will update the first post so that it reflects what we know. I'm not sure which knives are made in which regions but I'll see if I can pull some information off of Tosho. I don't know which ones are stamped or forged.
     
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    try reading the webpage of authorized distributor
     
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    My good buddy @inhuman sent this to me as I had the same question. Closest thing I’ve seen to a sensible breakdown of the konosuke mystique. (Thanks inhuman[emoji12]).

    “Fujiyama : Y. Tanaka forged. Anything before last year was sharpened by morihiro . These are the old stock ones . All we’re wide bevel except for the white series , which had a faux shinogi

    Fujiyama FM: debuted in 2018 , after a 2 year hiatus from making them . The sharpener is Morihiro apprentice. Smith still Y. Tanaka. These feature a nice convex grind from edge to spine .

    Fujiyama FT: these just came out. Tanaka forged. Sharpener unknown . Profile and grind similar to hd2. Utilize some crazy technique on the clad.”

    Sanjo is a collab between Mutsumi Hinoura & konos, and don’t quote me, but it just looks like a ajikitaya blade with konos shoes & coat.

    That’s about all I got, and I’m sure inhuman will come and teach us all konosuke karate any minute now.
     
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    If you want to know and understand fujis, go back in the archives and read about how they started, how they build their rep. Seek out and old one in good shape and compare that to one today. I’m biased and was an old school fan.
     
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    My goal here is mainly to create an objective resource for new buyers of retail Konosuke blades. I don't include previous product lines because those would typically be available through BST. I just want to help people (including myself) that would like to try something new from Konosuke and arm them with as much information as possible.
     
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    Thanks, I had the same questions myself as a newbie...
     
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    5BCC71FD-30CB-4AB0-AA38-C316465791C8.jpeg

    Turbos blue 1 old school badass! Old warrior.
     
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    This is what I've got so far from my first round of information collecting. I didn't seem to find much on the Konosuke Ginsan which leads me to believe it may be the same as the Konosuke MM Ginsan. I would appreciate if any more knowledgeable members could please contribute information (or corrections) if necessary.

    Bernal Cutlery claims the GS+ is using SLD. I don't know if anyone else is claiming this.
     
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    The Fujiyama FM were not finished by Morihiro, they were finished by Mizuki Mori. She is also the smith and sharpener for the MM line. This info is from what Kosuke posted on the other forum.

    The YS line is supposedly done by Yoshimitsu. I haven’t seen any concrete confirmation about that so do with that what you will.
     
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    For real? Morihiro's daughter?
     
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    Yup. She. You can even check the Konosuke website. They have a bio page about her.
     
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    Impressive. First I've heard of a female involved in key aspects of Japanese blade manufacture. I know of at least one in the USA.
     
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    Hold up.

    The FMs are NOT sharpened by Mizuki Mori. That's the Blacksmith for the new MM line.
    In the article you're referencing, it says she was at the office learning about engraving, handle attaching, some aspects of sharpening to further her knowledge of the process. She is Not the sharpener of the FMs

    The FM sharpener is not and has not been disclosed.


    Additionally, the YS are not Yoshimitsu. On Tosho they were listed as Yoshikane. Very different dudes.
     
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    I think Kosuke gave the initial 'M' for the new sharpener. I need to double check the thread to confirm. Could be another 'M' though.

    Omega how can you be so sure? Do you know but sworn to secrecy?
     
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    Sharpeners and blacksmiths are not the same people--generally speaking--in Sakai where Y. Tanaka and Morihiro work.
    The MM is definitely associated with the woman blacksmith, that part is pretty clear from Kosuke's comments in the other thread.
     
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    I defer to Omega on both counts. I did mean to say Yoshikane, but my fingers didn’t cooperate when I was typing. I’ll blame my other error on my poor reading comprehension.
     
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    @Corradobrit Yes. I know the details but can't say.

    @HRC Yes, the MMs are Forged by her. This was detailed in both the Konosuke update thread, and referred to in a news article Konosuke published

    For those interested, it can be read here: http://www.konosuke-sakai.com/wp/?p=611

    @pd7077 No worries man! That came across as more aggressive than I intended to be- it was so long ago the MMs were discussed, I can totally understand just mis-remembering.
     
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    Just a thought here- for me anyway, it would be waaaaay more useful to know construction/steel/grind/etc. than who did the work. Like what’s the actual physical difference between the lot.

    I know that Jon has said as much during his last q&a that Sakai operates with so many different specialists touching each aspect of the knives and often under different roofs that’s it’s difficult to even track down. So the mystique continues...
     
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    I think that's a great idea, however, I only know two types of grind classifications: fully convex or wide-bevel. What might be easier is if choil shots were posted instead, for the standard 240mm gyuto. I'm not sure if it would be fine to grab these pictures from external sources.

    Also, I've just updated the info with the discussion above. @Omega you mentioned in another thread that GS+ is hardened to 63 HRC. Do you know if bernal's claim that it's SLD is true?
     
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    I only have a Fujiyama FM 240 W#1, Tanaka forged, new mystery sharpener. Convex grind. Kosuke says HRC~64

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    The cladding on the ajikitaya is reactive carbon cladding but the MB has stainless cladding. The KU finish is much smoother on the MB.

    FWIW, Geometries seem different, but then again I am comparing a 210 ajikitaya to a 240 MB. The 210 is taller at the heel (50 vs 48 mm). The ajikitaya has more belly. Both have a blade road of about 14- 15 mm. The ajikitaya feels more balanced, the MB more blade heavy.
     
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    Choil on FT white #2
     

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    Looks like a laser
     
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    I'm a bit curious about the most recent w1 FM that was sold by CKTG. I purchased one in 210. I also purchased a 240 w2 FT from Bernal. I also own a B2 FM 240. Comparing the 3, the new w1 210 "feels" much more like the FT in grind than the FM 240 i have. it has an extremely thin top line. It is disproportionately thinner than the B2 FM 240. I know it would naturally be thinner but it is so much thinner that it almost doesn't feel like the same line of knives. It is much more laser-y than the B2 240. It weighs only 136 grams with an ebony handle. It does have the same multi-faceted finishing on the spine/choil as the B2. The FT has a rounded spine and choil, not the same. So, the W1 shares that aspect of the finishing process for sure with the B2 FM, but the grind feels closer to the FT. Wondering if the sharpener on those new recently released FMs is different from the prior FMs or maybe i just got one that varies a bit from the line's spec?
     
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    This is perhaps a slightly naive simplification. I am nowhere near as well versed as others here in Konos but I’ve experience a wide gamut of grinds with them.

    The MB is probably the closest to an actual wide bevel. In that it’s relative flat from the shinogi down to the edge.

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    The Togo reigou is Tanaka/morihiro Fujiyama and is slightly concave with a much higher grind

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    I forget which line this one is but it’s a convex needle.

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    The new white 2 whatever the letter is, perhaps FM is beatifully thin and convex at the same time:

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    HD2 grind feels a little effete
     
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    @Badger- the unknown is the HM “Cloudy” B2


    As for the GS+, I’ve never inquired about them past HRC
     
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    I have been curious about Kono's for some time, but a bit overwhelmed at all the options. This thread is great - thank you very much!
     

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