Etiquette of hiding behind a second account and criticizing others for what I do on a daily basis

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  1. Jan 14, 2019 #61

    ThaFurnace

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    Thank you corradobrit. I’m looking forward to sharing some details with the community soon.

    By the way... If your avatar name is in reference to the car, I owned two in the past... although I have since moved on to other brands. I will always cherish that model.
     
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  2. Jan 14, 2019 #62

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    Yes, I owned a VW Corrado SLC for 10 years. Sold it and got a 993, last of the aircooled Porsche's as my fun car. I still have fond memories of that Corrado (the G60 I had wasn't such a fun ownership experience) as I do a Mark 1 GTI I owned in Italy
     
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  3. Jan 14, 2019 #63

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    So @daveb is what you are doing acceptable? Rather hypocritical and far more direct than the OP. @Gregmega made a good point, and as a moderator you ought to relinquish yourself from certain discussions
     
  4. Jan 14, 2019 #64

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    No that’s a retarded suggestion. He moderates the forum, not the other way around.
     
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  5. Jan 14, 2019 #65

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    Hmm, he wasn’t moderating.. he was expressing an opinion. It’s a conflict of interest
     
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  6. Jan 14, 2019 #66

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    I think it's a nice idea that we're friends ... and I've certainly experienced acts of friendship myself through this forum. But the reality is that we are talking about hundreds (if not thousands) of people from around the world mingling here. And in the case of the Ashi Honyaki we're talking about serious money here. Some of us don't have that much money in the bank, others can easily spend that kind of dough on a knife ... every month!

    I think its fair to try to sell a knife at the best price. That price has to be determined by the seller. And ultimately by the buyer.

    Example: I was recently offered a lot of money for a knife of mine, double what I paid for (I turned it down, but that's a different story). The knife is hard to find, the (potential) buyer didn't want to wait, he wanted it right away. The price he was willing to pay to getting such a knife right away vs. waiting a lot longer to potentially find one was the premium he offered me.

    I don't see anything wrong with that.

    Neither do I see anything wrong with discussing prices in general. What I personally don't like are posts that are clearly crafted to undermine a (specific) sale.

    We should be able to discuss topics like "Kato worth the (hype) price". But trying to screw someone because you don't like the price the knife was listed for? And then claiming it's to "protect the buyer"? Come on! Just one scenario where I would hate this to happen

    Think about this (fiction of cause)

    - Seller needs money, desperately. He's sick, lost his job. He's selling all his assets, including a knife he purchased

    - Buyer is loaded. He wants that knife. For him that premium is a drop in the bucket ...

    Now someone just comes along and undermines that sale. Maybe even gets a mod to remove the listing or whatever ... How fair is that?

    What I am saying: Don't judge ...
     
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  7. Jan 14, 2019 #67

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    And what's your point really?

    Let me ask you this: If you were able to purchase the knife for ... say $2500 and I would now offer you $5000, would you refuse and sell it to me for $2500 just because that's what you paid for it?
     
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  8. Jan 14, 2019 #68

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    That basically would mean he could not participate in the forum, almost at all ...

    For Dave as for moderators on most forums, it's something they do voluntarily, without any compensation. They do it because they're passionate about a topic, in this case knives.

    If we want truly impartial moderators who do nothing else but moderate the forum, we'd have to have a paid moderator.
     
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  9. Jan 14, 2019 #69

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    Ok, I am going to project and assume certain things here based on my own experience moderating forums.

    Moderators do a thankless job because they are passionate about the subject.

    Moderators are forum members first, and have opinions too.
     
  10. Jan 14, 2019 #70

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    I always sell at a loss because for me it's never about turning a profit, plus I want regular folk to have an opportunity to try a cool knife.
     
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  11. Jan 14, 2019 #71

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    Congrats on your purchase. Imo, you should view the discussion in this thread from now on as a philosophical discussion rather than one about your specific knife.

    I guess what I'm saying is that don't let this or any other thread detract from you enjoying your knife or casting any shadows over your purchase.

    Having had the privilege to see a good number of decent blades over the years, I can wholeheartedly say that as far as double bevels go, nothing comes close to the knife you have just gotten - nothing. It is probably too cliche to say, but Ashi-san's honyakis are art. Unfortunately as with most art, it's only really possible to appreciate it fully with first hand experience, something that you will find out very soon.

    The rest of the discussion is what the community needs to have, please view it as such.

    Congrats again on your new knife.


     
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  12. Jan 14, 2019 #72
    The OP is not a new member, infact it S0real just pretending to be a new member. Odd that he can flip knives all day, but God forbid someone else does it.

    Have the balls to post under your own account.

    Etiquette my ass
     
  13. Jan 14, 2019 #73

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    Got emmmm!
     
  14. Jan 14, 2019 #74

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    The best defense is a good offense :D


    (the OP, not bkultra)
     
  15. Jan 14, 2019 #75

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    Offense wins games, defense wins championships .... LOL
     
  16. Jan 14, 2019 #76

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    There is no etiquette in B/S/T any longer. Hasn't been for a while.
     
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  17. Jan 14, 2019 #77

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    Let’s not overgeneralize. I’ve experienced admirable etiquette from many members. Of course, good deeds aren’t nearly as juicy for threads like this as bad ones.
     
  18. Jan 14, 2019 #78

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  19. Jan 14, 2019 #79

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    For whatever its worth to folks, the Giveaways/Pay it Forward subforum only had 8 new unique threads started in the whole of 2018, while the Passaround/Loaners only had 3. It's all good decrying the state of the forum's community, but community is what you make it.

    Or maybe we should just build a big wall to keep all the thieves, flippers, and profiteers out of the forum...that will obviously fix everything....;)

    As much as I enjoy this forum and most people in it, there are many more important things in life to worry and obsess over.
     
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  20. Jan 14, 2019 #80

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    We must protect the flipper. Don't hurt anybody 's feelings by criticizing a price... In a true free market criticizing prices would be part of market regulation. If a customer goes to a burger place and eats a $14 burger that wasn't cook properly, tasted bad, got sick, and complained publlically saying place x really sucks their burgers are overpriced. No one screams out you can't criticize a burger places prices, if someone is willing to eat their that's on them. If they get E.coli that's on them.
     
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    Yup, been a slow transition downhill since the “In the kitchen” blowup. Been just stupid since 2017 though. Remember the days when you could just order direct from most manufacturers? Ugh....
     
  22. Jan 14, 2019 #82

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    There was a blowup?

    I guess I was hibernating
     
  23. Jan 14, 2019 #83

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    Yeah, I must have been sleeping too......
     
  24. Jan 14, 2019 #84

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    Congrats ThaFurnace on that knife. It’s stunning and like mentioned above a work of art. I hope share more details and pics when you get it.
     
  25. Jan 14, 2019 #85

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    **** soreal, boot that SOB!

    Wasn't there a flipper alert thread around here somewhere?
     
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    On Ebay now, 3-4 guys bought 5-10 masamoto KS each from Korin and trying to sell them for 700-1000 each. I was the leader in one auction at around 450usd but 24 hours before closing they withdraw the knife for it being too few bids and after 1 day relist it again trying to get more money. Sad really
     
  27. Jan 14, 2019 #87

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    On the hand I'd agree with you ...

    But sad? I don't know ... we're still talking about luxury items here, that no one here really NEEDS ...

    There are a lot of things I'd call "sad" in this world, someone trying to make money by selling a knife sure isn't one of them ... just my 2 cents.
     
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  28. Jan 14, 2019 #88
    alterwisser - I agree, first world problems, but I still want to believe that we can be nicer to each other than that. And I sincerely hope that we are more personal and more courteous than eBay.

    I may be a little naive, but KKF was a place that not only turned me to a perfect money pit, but it played a key role in me becoming a hobby knife maker and pursuing that I met more kind, helpful and friendly people than I can count. I am genuinely thankful for that.
     
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  29. Jan 14, 2019 #89

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    What I find sad is that when trust was a bit stronger here members could try a kato, ks, shig, etc in a passaround and find out for themselves firsthand what the said knife was all about without having to spend stupid money for something they may not like. I know it still goes on behind the scenes here (sharing knives) but I believe the loss of the public passarounds to be the one direct correlation with skyrocketing prices.
     
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  30. Jan 14, 2019 #90

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    Alterwisser,

    What is your skin in the game here? You are very one sided with your comments, looking to make light of things that others are concerned with. What's the agenda?

    If people have concerns and voice them, why do you consistently try to rebuke them?
     
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