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… (and I don't know whether it is or isn't something to worry about or prioritize)
same here. I’m hoping they don’t find out terrible things. I was blindsided by the still-unfolding microplastics disaster.

I still use plastic zip bags. Nothing else allows for dense utilization of my smallish freezer space. I reuse them however, and get an average of ten uses/bag before the closure fails or a seam splits.

I have an aversion to plastic drinking glasses/cups. Glass feels so much better, and is easy to completely degrease. Plastics, especially polyolefins, are a b**** to degrease.

Unfortunately very few things I buy come in glass jars. The empties get pressed into duty quickly.
 
Ikea sells stainless containers, we dabbled with glass for a bit but that is too heavy and breaks too easily..lids in plastic bit those are not in contact with food.

All reused plastic, especially when it goes in the dishwasher is a risk, we got rid of almost all of it a year or two ago.
 
Jovidah is right leftover glass containers don't cost anything. Store stuff in tiny to gallon glass. TASSOS Kalamatata olive jar is perfect storing leftover curries like to cook try that with plastic you will never get the stain out. Our small plastic container for cat food got crack food getting stale cat wouldn't eat it. So now even cat food in French Preserves jar.

I know that some folks lack of space is an issue. Wide mouth jars can hold smaller jars on top. Also you can store jars anywhere get them when you need them.
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Ikea sells stainless containers, we dabbled with glass for a bit but that is too heavy and breaks too easily..lids in plastic bit those are not in contact with food.

All reused plastic, especially when it goes in the dishwasher is a risk, we got rid of almost all of it a year or two ago.
I've considered going stainless... but for me the main downside is that they're not transparent. I found that switching to glass containers helped a lot in my fridge organization since I no longer have to guess what's inside containers.
 
completely true, but an 8 year old and two teenagers break so much of the stuff it's not funny anymore...
 
I try to minimize plastic best I can. my wife brings her own mesh veggie bags. I don't, but I try to reuse those veggie bags as often as I can. I take my lunch in them as a final use. probably gross at some level. but it is just cut veg these days.

what blows me away is the plastic at places like Cambodia. everything uses the cheapest plastic ever. they put to-go soups into them. they line plates with them so they don't have to do dishes. plastic water bottles everywhere. makes me realize my own efforts are futile. whatever. ....I don't have kids. when I am out, I'm out.

I'm eating a lot of cottage cheese these days. I reuse the tubs for making my levain. works well. (or dirty oily stuff from the kitchen and into the bin)
 
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I’ve long since accepted my own use of plastic, and plastic pollution pales in comparison to that of SE asia, there’s a few other places but the region really does stand out for it. There’s a YouTube channel that goes about implementing trash interceptors in rivers, and the amount they pull out of a single river after a single storm before it gets to the ocean is frankly staggering.

Doesn’t mean I don’t try to avoid generating it when possible, just that I know when it comes to the stuff that ends up in the ocean all the west is essentially a drop in the bucket compared to big players in that area. I do use a lot of plastic, as @Michi pointed out it’s literally impossible to avoid at the grocery store. In my parts that all goes to the trash which goes to a landfill. Probably the best case scenario with the exception of those places with a waste to energy generation plant, since it keeps it from getting into the oceans and concentrates it until future recycling methods and landfill resource extraction improves. Trying to truly recycle plastics currently is a bit of a fools errand. It works in perfect settings and with controlled variables, but unfortunately that isn’t the real world. You somehow have to separate any of about a dozen common polymers, clean god know what’s on them so they don’t pollute the whole batch, and then deal with the fact that the plastic loses plasticizers each time it’s reheated. It’s not impossible, but at least in the states a lot of places went “this is too complicated” and shipped it overseas where labor is cheaper. Some of it gets upcycled into shirts, carpets and so on. And a lot of it just gets dumped quietly.

My food storage is sit between deli containers and glass. Nothing goes into the plastic until it’s well into the danger zone (good thing I’m not a restaurant), nothing gets reheated in them. The reality is, quite literally every food stream is heavily polluted with microplastics, storing barely warm food in direct contact with it pales in comparison to say, drinking a bottle of water which is a leading source of it since water bottles are stored in variable temperatures, thrown around and stored for long periods which all exacerbate it, or getting takeout from a restaurant where they put a soup or curry into a deli container. Fruit, veg and seafood are all major sources of it. It’s in the rain, it’s in the air, you can absorb it from your skin from clothing.

The scale and scope of the issue is frankly staggering, I’ve accepted it can’t be avoided, and it’s best not to worsen the health concerns by adding stress to the situation. Avoid ordering takeout, particularly anything saucy that needs a plastic container to contain, avoid microwaving plastic, avoid putting leftovers that you wouldn’t be an uncomfortable temperature to spill on yourself in them and avoid bottled water, tea bags or wine which are all high in it.

What even is the solution? Tell developing countries they aren’t allowed to continue developing because they aren’t disposing of plastics properly? Even if we phase out plastics entirely in the west, it’ll unfortunately change nothing about the situation. It’ll still come in the fish we eat, the rain that falls, the air we breath, the crops fertilized with fish waste and watered by rain, and the animals that eat the crops. Unlike the leaded fuel crisis that caused an entire generations IQ before we banned its use, it isn’t a local catastrophe that our actions can stop. The ocean cleanup project is doing good work, and so are the trash diverter teams, but they definitely need more funding to help

At least there’s bacteria starting to breakdown plastics, which is going to cause a new era of issues. When it comes to PFAS we’re REALLY buggered
 
The reality is, quite literally every food stream is heavily polluted with microplastics, storing barely warm food in direct contact with it pales in comparison to say, drinking a bottle of water which is a leading source of it since water bottles are stored in variable temperatures, thrown around and stored for long periods which all exacerbate it, or getting takeout from a restaurant where they put a soup or curry into a deli container. Fruit, veg and seafood are all major sources of it. It’s in the rain, it’s in the air, you can absorb it from your skin from clothing.
From what I've read it's a similar story with teflon. It's a good idea to avoid non-stick pans if you don't want to be 'part of the problem' but if you look at your intake, apaprently that's a minority and a lot of it comes from food packaging (a lot of it is lined with teflon or something in the same checmical ballpark) and the actual food itself (because at this point we have world-wide contamination).

But at the same time I don't think it's bad to do what you can to limit both your contribution to the problem and your own exposure.

I think bottled water is really a sad example because people often choose it to try and go for the healthier choice compared to tap water (and in some places it probably is), but it's potentially trading off on other aspects. From an environmental aspect it's also a dilemma; glass bottles are probably healthier and generate less plastic waste, but will have a higher CO2 footprint for their logistics and potentially for production as well.
 
I try to use only glass or stainless for storage, except in the freezer, where that is less practical. There, I use deli containers and oblong black plastic containers for efficient use of space, but I let the food cool before using them, and never reheat in plastic of any kind.

I now have a number of hotel pans of various sizes that I use for prep storage and for short term leftover storage.

But man, plastic is SO convenient, especially polycarbonate type plastics that are clear, hard, and durable. So great for sugars, salts, flours, legumes, and rices.

I recognize that this is all spitting in the rain, but what the heck.

I once sat and thought for a while about what eliminating plastic from my day to day use/life would look like, and it's pretty much impossible. All you can do is try for harm reduction, not elimination.
 
I think that plastic will always have a place in our food chain, indeed out of convenience and low price. The risk of storing f.e. sugar in it is likely low, much lower than 'wet' ingredients or warm food but time will tell as more and more research is (being) done.
 
Yeah the leaching of chemicals basically happens more at higher temperatures, though you can never really get it to 0.
For me dry goods are a place where I don't really miss plastics. I bought a whole bunch of glass preserving jars on the cheap at IKEA that work well for me in the role.

For me the few items that I find hardest to replace:
-Plastic film / cling film. Although I don't use it much these days (for example on bowls I try to use lids instead) it's hard to go without it entirely.

-Silicone spatulas. For getting maximum fluids out of a jar or pan, or stirring more delicate stuff like risotto's I haven't found anything yet that comes close to it in performance.

-I still re-use plastic bags to sub-package green waste before it goes into the bin. I live in an appartment and I don't have much of a choice but to dump my green waste in my regular garbage bags... and I pay everytime I open the container. So sub-packaging meaty and fruit/veg is sometimes the only way to make things practical when it gets hotter.
This might theoretically be replacable by 'compostable bags' but at this point half the recycling centeres here have complained about them because a lot don't compost properly. Also feels like you're just replacing one plastic bag with another slightly greener one.

I get a trickle of free plastic bags from the market, though they mostly package stuff in paper these days, which is fine. But since I re-use them in multiple ways it doesn't really bother me when my combined total plastic footprint is very limited.

Supermarkets have basically lost me as a customer for produce altogether. They did away with free plastic bags, and instead of replacing them with paper bags, they just force you to either buy special nylon bags they sell (which is really just slightly more durable plastic)... or just throw stuff in your cart and on the conveyor belt at the checkout as is, without any way to organize it or keep it sanitary.
 
Difficult to tell from the abstract whether this is a real concern or not. It sounds like they exposed the worms to insane concentrations of the stuff, instead of the trace amounts we would be exposed to.
In high concentrations, up to 80% of earthworms died when exposed to viscose, while lyocell exposure resulted in 60% mortality.
While I agree that micro-plastics of any kind are bad, and probably at any concentration, it still is a long bow to draw. Worms dying from high concentrations of the stuff is definitely not the same thing as humans eating minute amounts.
 
An issue with a lot of these bio-based fibers isn't the bio part but 'the other part'.

A few years ago they had to come out with warnings because apparently all the 'bamboo' dishware and bowls that were getting quite popular turned out to be dangerous. Basically they were more of a 'bamboo pulp in melamine resin' kind of thing that would start leaching all kinds of crap if it came into contact with hot food or drink.

At this point I think the safest standard to hold on to is 'if it comes into contact with food or my skin, it needs consist of purely of natural materials', since those are the ones that our bodies have evolved to deal with. With a lot of the synthethics it's basically just a matter of time before we find out that it wasn't such a great idea after all.

I wouldn't be surprised if sous-vide turns out to be extremely unhealthy if you did it a lot because you're essentially putting your food in direct contact with heated plastics... which is usually the worst condition to put it in when it comes to leaching plasticizers.
 
PVC should never be used for potable water. I’m pretty sure it’s illegal in most places. PEX is cross-linked polyethylene, which is just a stronger version of a milk jug. So long as it’s not somehow recycled 🙄 then it can’t hurt you.

Unlike vinyl flooring. Seriously that **** is horrible.
 
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Cling wrap, non stick pans, black plastic spatulas, vinyl floor tiles no wonder my memory not as good as before. I thought
was because I'm in mid 70's
I don’t think ptfe use phthalate, but old pfoa could be worse, a lot of phthalate cames from PVC used in treatment plant tho, there was a scandal about Moutai, some of the most expansive Baijiu you can get, turns out their facility used plastic tube that leached a lot plasticizer
 
PVC pipes are used used everywhere. Farming esp. Sometimes we clean up plastic lined ditches that catch rainwater high up mountains drains down to farms in Wiamanalo valley. Once had a job putting in sprinkler systems for yards. PVC pipes easy to work with. Now PEX & HDPE are used for drinking water pipes.

I remember early Earth Days 1970's warning of plastic use. 2024 plastic use has exploded worldwide.
 
I've tried to switch to glass as much as I can a while back to reduce micro plastics consumption.

Sadly it's a bit of a loosing battle, as unfortunately they are in everything we eat and drink, and in the air we breathe.
 
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