Good starter stone?

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    Prob get a Chosera 800 for that money (mid $60s)
     
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    Shapton pro 1k
     
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    dont buy whetstones based on how they look FFS :(
     
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    It doesn't have to be amazon. If there is a stone that is recommended that is from another source, that is fine. I really know very little about the proper stone and looking for my first one.
     
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    This

    Or a king 1k/6k or a naniwa 1k/3k these seem to be the go- to starter stones.

    What knife do you own? If you own stainless then a smaller grit jump would be better. If carbon, bigger gaps in grit is perfectly good.
     
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    I tried that stone (or possibly one from a different seller that looks indistinguishable).

    I found it to be garbage. The 1000 side is much coarser than 1000, IMO, and the binder for it is very soft. The 6000 side is better, but also coarser than a true 6000, and quite soft. The stone dishes very quickly (as in ridiculously quickly), especially on the 1000 side.

    You can use that stone with soft steels, such as Wüsthof and get an acceptable result if you strop afterwards. For anything harder, I'd say forget it.

    For a good entry-level stone, the King KDS has a very good reputation and should work well with anything except super-hard PM steels. And it's a full-size stone, whereas those cheap ones from eBay and Amazon are smaller, which isn't so great if you want to sharpen anything larger than a pocket knife.
     
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    I own this: https://www.sakaiknife.com/product.asp?id=SH00027

     
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    Hill,
    I was in the same position as you last year. I went back and forth on these no name brand combo stones. I eventually bought a $20 Norton IB8 India combo stone.
    I used this to practice with and to see if had what it took to freehand sharpen. Now that I am better at it I have just ordered the very highly recommended splash and go Shapton pro 2000.
     
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    In no particular order...
    Shapton Pro/Kuromaka or Glass 1k or 2k
    Naniwa Chosera 800 or 1k
    King Deluxe 1000
    Bester 1200
    Cerax 1000
    Gesshin
    JNS

    I'm probably forgetting some. I'd probably get the Shapton 2k though.
     
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    I love shapton 1k but wouldn’t the chosera be better for someone new to stones? Isn’t it more forgiving?
     
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    It is remarkable how many imitators of the Sharp Pebble there are, down to the accessories they package with their similar looking stones. The stone which caught my eye isn't actually the same dimensions as the Sharp Pebble, now that I look at it more closely.

    Evidently Michi has tried some similar stone and found it to be garbage, which is good to know.
     
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    Yeah. I also bought a 240/800, which is garbage, too. Those stones are cheap, and you get exactly what you pay for. Lesson learned. It's part of the price of acquiring a new skill.
     
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    This Sharp Pebble thing got me thinking… There are tons of sellers on eBay and Amazon who sell stones that look identical, down to the bamboo stand and the angle guide. I tacitly assumed that these really were all the same stone from the same factory, just re-badged by different re-sellers. But now I'm wondering whether the Sharp Pebble is actually OK, and the others are copies that are worse in quality, or whether they are all garbage, including the Sharp Pebble.

    Here are some examples:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZYGQFS3/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074VPCRYS/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20

    http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...0001&campid=5338413729&icep_item=132455718827

    http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...0001&campid=5338413729&icep_item=253557804721

    There are plenty more vendors that sell that stone with different printing on the side.

    If someone here happens to have a Sharp Pebble branded 1000/6000, I'd be happy to send you my 1000/6000 for comparison. It would be interesting to know if and how they differ. All I'd ask in return is a review of what you find out. Let me know if you have the Sharp Pebble and you are interested.

    Michi.
     
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    Don't buy 'starter' stones as those are usually of unimpressive quality. Just get a 2-3 proper stones (Suehiro, Cerax, Bester, Gesshin JNS, Chosera, Shapton, etc.). Read a bit around here - there was already a ton of discussions on different stones
     
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    I highly agree with Matus.
     
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    Hill, I am in a similar position as you. I'm new to kitchen knife sharpening and don't want to go overboard initially. I started a thread here, which gave me some great feedback and recommendations. I also did some other online research on less expensive stones, including the Sharp Pebble. My research on the Sharp Pebble made me suspicious of its quality and the legitimacy of many Amazon reviews for the product.

    I decided to go with a Shapton Pro 1k for starters. If I enjoy it and am able to figure it out, then I'll add a lower grit, higher grit and a flattening plate in the future. If not, I'm only out about $50. You should consider where you are going to sharpen and if your setup will be comfortable.

    I have some leftover Corian lying around, so I'll likely build a sink bridge using that. Having your stone elevated enough so that you aren't scraping your knuckles on the counter/work bench will make things much more comfortable.
     
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    Fully agree. All in all we are maybe talking a few 10's of dollars of price difference, but a lifetime of misery :)
     
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    Agree with these guys...Its better to wait to buy a second stone than to save $10 or 20 on a crap 1K.
    Also, dont buy a smaller stone trying to save money.

    Shapton pro 1-2k = $35-45 ish
    Cerax 1k = 35-40ish
    king 800, 1000, 1200 = 30 ish

    Shapton Glass 1k or 2k is around $60ish
    Chosera $65ish (Amazon)
    Kinge Hyper $65ish (imported)
     
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    Buy nice don’t buy twice.

    Shapton pro’s are a lot of value for the money. Start with the 1k and get another one later on, buy a lattening plate right away, atoma 140 or dmt xxc.
     
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    I started with a King 1000/6000 and a good quality stone holder.
     
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    My first good stone was the chosera 800 and I am very happy with it, then bought a 3000 soon after
     
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    Stones last years, so think of it as an investment over several years, $40 spread over 5+ years(depending on how much you sharpen/thin) is not much different than $60-80 over that time.
     
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    king 1000/6000 would be my suggestion. probably the best value stone and great for a beginner as well
     
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    Another sharping system i use that requires no oil or water, is the Fallkniven Diamond-Ceramic DC521.

    I use it with my Axes and other carbon steel blades, the diamond side quickly gets a worn dull blade ready for the ceramic fine grit 25 micron finishing side of Combo stone

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AN0TQ2K/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20
     
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    I like my king 1k. I don't use it much anymore or any 1k stone but it is a good one and feels nice. The 6k......not so much but it works and is the last stone in my razor sharpeings setup
     

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