Grind Patent?

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  1. Oct 19, 2017 #1

    Dave Martell

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    I just read a post on Pictaram where a somewhat new custom kitchen knifemaker says, "My grinds are in the process of being patented. If others are using them, they are infringing."

    The comment was under a video showing another maker's (Dalman) knife kicking ass on a huge carrot.

    Can a knifemaker actually patent grinds? What do you folks think about this? :scratchhead:
     
  2. Oct 19, 2017 #2

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    Also worth noting, the knifemaker isn't doing anything new with his knives, it's all been done before.
     
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    Honestly that does not seem to prevent the issue of a patent...
     
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    Well he's not "to" bright. Until it IS patented no one is infringing. Also it would seem like a "grind" would have to have such specific measurement requirements to be enforceable as infringement. AND would choil photos be enough to prove a grind was in the public domain to begin with? Proving his patent invalid?

    I'm thinking internet troll? I just couldn't imagine anyone justifying patent research fees alone just to file a patent on a grind.
     
  5. Oct 19, 2017 #5

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    If that's the same guy I am thinking he should patent 2inchitis or 36grit belt finish or something
     
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    :rofl2:

    It is.

    And you're so right.
     
  7. Oct 19, 2017 #7

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    Sadly, too true. (AFAIK- Patent Office funding got cut, a decision was made / just happened to issue (almost) everything and let the courts invalidate the bad patents.) The system is broken, but doesn't work too badly amongst the big guys who have money & lawyers to fight off bad patents and have assets to lose if they abuse the courts. Of course all that lead to "patent trolls", who are carefully constructed to have nothing to lose and basically use the courts for extortion. (Collect money, usually in out of court settlements, or declare bankruptcy to avoid paying penalties. A couple recent cases have gone further and gotten lawyers fined and disbarred, so maybe an era is ending.) -- (Full disclosure: I'm not a patent lawyer, but I am the named inventor in several patents assigned to prior employers. I'd argue none of my patents are patentable by the letter and intent of the patent laws, they were just good engineering, but the company's lawyers always said they needed marginal patents to balance everyone else's marginal patents and they'd never be used except in defense....)

    OTOH- prior art is a complete defense, so anybody doing traditional grinds should be pretty safe. (I.e. you aren't copying this guy's grinds, you're copying the traditional form.) Also, *IF* he even follows through and gets the patent, I have trouble believing he'd want to enforce it against anyone unless they have very deep pockets or is rubbing his nose in it, (e.g. advertising you're using his grind.)
     
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    Y'all guys gotta tell me who this rube is.
     
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    I'm picturing a dork with a fantasy knife made from mild steel.
     
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    Yep. Who is this??
     
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    Yes who is this?
     
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    +3 Wondering the same
     
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    IF it has been done before or someone who has even thought of it and documented ( proof) such as mention in a research paper magazine, before the patent office shld hv done its due diligence before issuing it and it can be easily challenged. I believe that one of the criteria is innovativeness ... such that a skilled person in that industry would not have even thought of it!

    Defending a patent calls for serious money upfront in my region... no probono work basis. The big boys with their deep pockets can burn up your paid up capital or cash and leave you with no more capital to function... Once they size you up, they know the distance you can go... they take you on... Seems unfair... you need serious money to defend your patent.
     
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    What's proprietary about the way something is ground? If none of the equipment used to achieve it is exclusive to that person?
     
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    Rhymes with Pooston Hedge Twerks
     
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    "Knives for the Anatomic Pathologist"

    Lol, first line in and I closed the browser mad that I even gave then a click.
     
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    And unfollowed them on Instagram.
     
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    Shooting your mouth off in an Instagram comment could perhaps be ignored, but saying, "... using methods such as Bespoke, Santoku & more." on your website to explain and justify your pricing!?!!

    PS- Google can't find "patent" mentioned on the website.
     
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    I don’t see this being possible. Now heat treating processes, not results, i do see being something someone could patent. But proving an infringement would be difficult.

    Besides, pantent a grind or even a profile and it all changes the moment someone goes to sharpen or thin.
     
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    Ain't nobody thinning what he's cooking. He can barely sand the stuff
     
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    Can you imagine what this would mean if he, or anyone else, actually did patent knife grinds? Ever hear of George Selden?
     
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    Hahahahahaha.......he sure wouldn't have to worry much about infringement :D
     
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    Maybe he was just joking about the patent? I found the whole interaction weird as he's usually been nice to me and willing to share info. That has just been my own personal experience.
     
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    Are we talking about haveknifewillcook on IG?
     
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    No, click on the Instagram link Robin Dalman posted and you'll see...
     
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    I posted a photo of a -forged- in fuller on IG, and within minutes I had recieved two comments addressed to me on IG as well as a PM on a forum from this maker, outlining futire "patents"

    Perhaps "food release" is a hot potato in the world of autopsy knife makers? Or should it be "corpse release"? Yum!

    Let's hope his passarounds don't get mixed up!
     
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    This guy sounds like a real insufferable ****.
     
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    Ha ha hilarious, I'm sure I will come across this nutter sooner or later on IG. Not going to need a team of Lawyers to compose my two word response.
     

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