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Bought in England as part of a job lot.
8 1/2 inches by 1 5/8”.
had to grind down the bolster some, it had already been shortened. I think it’s probably reduced by about 1/4” or so.
sharpens up lovely.
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Work in progress
 

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I’m filing down the bolster, found a vice that holds by suction, turns out it is a lot better than I thought it would be.
then I thinned the edge - unfortunately not very prettily. Used a couple of small edge guides that set a 6 degree angle. More work to do, I guess
 

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It must have been approx 45mm+ high. It had previously been reduced at the bolster to about 41mm possibly to remove a ‘recurve’ but now needs thinning. It’s a beautiful carbon steel to sharpen, comes up easily and sweetly Nice wooden handle, possibly walnut. Flat faced rivets. Makers mark Gustavo Emil Ern stamped into the blade. Doesn’t use the ‘Germanmesser” mark. Probably pre administration 1970s. Some pitting/ oxidation. May leave this as I like a patina but must remember to take all my carbon steel knives out of those felt lined blade guards….
 
You're on the good way. The use of a vice is a smart solution. I could imagine they original owners after 1945 had stopped using the ominous Germanenmesser-inscription for export. Or, even more likely, it is from before the introduction of it, end twenties, as a political statement. The narrow fingerguard and absence of an integrated virole is similar to German vintages of that time, and the modern Herder 1922. Other than modern ones, even replicas, this one looks to have been produced by hammer forging. Hard to believe the new owners of the name after the bankruptcy started in the seventies by producing what was already in those days an extremely labour-intensive niche-product. They rather made cheap stainless butchers' knives, as far as I've seen.
As they're is no active rust the pitting seems stable. I wouldn't touch it.
I would indeed aim for a fingerguard that's 0.5mm / 3/16" lower than the final edge, and not insist on thinning the last millimetres close to the fingerguard. It is likely to cause an overgrind just before it, as I've experienced. Knock off the shoulders, and have the bevels flush with the faces. The whole idea is having a robust first part at the heel, and a thin front with a spectacular distal taper, having all functions and uses combined in one knife.
 
Thanks for your input - did the new owners begin by trying to produce blade in the traditional method?
I have a feeling that this is possibly not that old but definitely uses carbon steel - perhaps they cleared old stock at that time - if this knife is older than that then it has been well looked after, the wood in the handle has not shrunk or cracked, though a small corner chipped off - hence the overprotective butchers glove wrapped around it
 
Thanks for your input - did the new owners begin by trying to produce blade in the traditional method?
I have a feeling that this is possibly not that old but definitely uses carbon steel - perhaps they cleared old stock at that time - if this knife is older than that then it has been well looked after, the wood in the handle has not shrunk or cracked, though a small corner chipped off - hence the overprotective butchers glove wrapped around it
The old stock is the only explanation if you're sure it can't be from the beginning of the twenties. Probably been sold by the trustee during the bankruptcy.
 
The old stock is the only explanation if you're sure it can't be from the beginning of the twenties. Probably been sold by the trustee during the bankruptcy.
The flat rivets might date it later in the century?
 
Not exactly a 'national quality standard', it was being registered as a trade mark!
GEE were so the only to be allowed to use it.
Ah! I may have misunderstood the machine translation of the original post.
 
My wife inherited a Gustav Emil Ern from her mother. My research indicated that it was THE premier brand pre-WWII. Basically, it was the last one made traditionally and was considered one of the best brands in Germany prior to Wusthof and Henkels dominating the market.
 
My wife inherited a Gustav Emil Ern from her mother. My research indicated that it was THE premier brand pre-WWII. Basically, it was the last one made traditionally and was considered one of the best brands in Germany prior to Wusthof and Henkels dominating the market.
I’d be interested in seeing a picture for comparison
 
That more or less the same knife. Cool
Nice handle btw. I think I have been able to revive mine with oil and wax
 
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i had one. sold it here on the forum. my version was so thick. made from a very thick stock. it wasnt my jam. i do kinda regret it now. i have been gravitating to heavier blades.
 
Mine is, now, very thin towards the tip, I might have overdone it. I’ll post photos when I can get decent pictures. I nearly gave it away until I sharpened it when I realised how buttery the steel is. This one is staying.
 
Ours was literally rotted away from lack of care….
Did the original handle look like the one I have, with flat round rivets? Or did it have the finer ones used in your new handle?
 
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So my next issue is how to get an even finish. I’m not looking to polish it in full I have tried to keep the patina as best I can but I did have to work on chamfering off the shoulders of my first thinning attempt to get something approximating a convex grind. I worked up from 320 to SG1000 and have gone no further for now. The problem is I have an uneven polish creating a rippled finish. How do I move from here?
 

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In a similar case, a vintage carbon with a lot of pitting and a polished part behind the edge, I've forced a patina with phosphoric acid.
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My wife inherited a Gustav Emil Ern from her mother. My research indicated that it was THE premier brand pre-WWII. Basically, it was the last one made traditionally and was considered one of the best brands in Germany prior to Wusthof and Henkels dominating the market.
This is really very interesting information.

So far I only knew the "newer" stainless knives from Gustav Emil Ern and they didn't impress me.

But with this information, the older knives become interesting. Thanks for sharing, I always like to learn something new.
 
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