I was at Darkhoeks home yesterday. And even though we had a wonderful meal and spoke about food/knives and other things, we had the news on in the background. Its been a sad day. Over 80 killed at a young political interrested camp
It is truly a sad day for Norway. As Øivind said we gathered yesterdeay at my house for a good meal and some lusty knife talk, but the actions of apparently one single individual extremist wacko darkened the day and night significantly.
My thoughts go to all of the involved in this terrible tragedy.
Yesterday we saw the worst and best in humans.
The worst is the hell one man left behind - killing over 92 young people coldbloded. He was dressed as a policeman and killed 85 youngsters on a camp. He shouted that he was from the police and then shot them when they came towards him. He was caught by Norwegian SWAT team, unharmed.
The best is all the people in Norway holding together, helping each other and all the people involved in helping the victims. All bars was closed yesterday and so will it be today. All stores was also closed in Oslo today. Norwegian rise togheter from the attack. And now is a time to work togheter with both norwegians and immigrants, we join hand together and work for a better place together.
Im happy I have friends around me, and during time like this the friendship only gets stronger. No terrorist will ever break Norway, we only become stronger!
Dark day, we understand and feel your pain.
Sounds like this was done by ultra nationalists, Timothy McVeigh thought of himself in this way too.
How can they think that an action like this against your own countrymen would advance the cause you believe in?
Example of a political position taken to craziness!
And perhaps a crazy taking a political position. A TV report said that the longest prison term in Norway is 20 years or so. Is that true? This madman will be out before he is 55 years old at that rate. I'll bet that law gets another look.
Yet irony is, the perpetrator will get 21 years of jail (yes, no 100 life terms, but 21 years) and will make a big show out of the trial and when he comes out at the age of 53, he will probably qualify for a pension of sorts or will be supported by some right wing donors. Unbelievable. I am not a trigger happy guy, but punishment in this case is so disproportional to the crime.
Moreover, Norway needs to rethink its response to a tragedy like this. The police response was unacceptable - took a long time and was pretty inefficient - the perpetrator ran out of ammunition and turned himself in! Lives were lost because of that. I think a country that has had plenty of threats in the past several years, should be more prepared (SWAT, helicopters, etc) for incidents like these. Maybe it will be a wake up call.
You know, people get pretty bloodthirsty here in America, ready to do the worst possible things to people the public has decided are guilty.
But when I heard that he maximum punishment for this is 21 years?!!?! Is Norway INSANE?! He doesn't even think it was wrong, he doesn't even think he committed a CRIME. You may feel the humane thing to do is imprisonment instead of just putting him down like the cancer to society that he is, but to let him go is accessory to his future crimes.
Someone here said, "Well, someone's going to kill him when he gets out."(this is Texas, after all) But from what I know of Norway, nobody will do that.
21 years. People get more than that here for stealing postal packages from porches.