Hoping for a little help and guidance in finding a Sujihiki

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Chinaski

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North Carolina
LOCATION
US

KNIFE TYPE
Sujihiki

Are you right or left handed?
Right

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?
Japanese (Octagon)

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
270, possibly 300

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
No

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?
350 USD

KNIFE USE
Home only

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for
Slicing fish and meats both pre and post cooking, possible larger or lengthwise vegetable prep as well

What knife, if any, are you replacing?
A Henckels carver that left this world about 8+ years ago, yes it's taken me this long to finally start the process of replacing it

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)
I probably use the finger point the most but tend to move it around in my hand to where it'll work and never really pay attention to exactly how that's oriented

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)
Will be used for slicing only

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)
Keen edge and the length, edge retention isn't too much of a concern as it will be a limited duty knife and I have the means to sharpen

KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board?
Wood, currently have edge grain boards but have been reading that end grain ones are a little friendlier to an edge so I'll be making one

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)
yes

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives?

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)
No


SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS

First Japanese knife, been meaning to replace a set of Heckles for close to 20 years now and have been in need of a slicer for around 8 years. Wanting something that's stainless clad and from what I've researched a white #2 core, I know it's not as durable as some of the other steels but to me it looks like a very keen edge is easier to obtain that with some of the other steels. I'm a woodworker and this is an age old argument in chisel and plane iron steels as well, A2, O1, PMV11, bearing steel, etc, edge retention vs ease of getting a sharp edge. It depends on the tool, chopping out mortises and dimensional plane work I'd go for edge retention, a finishing smoother plane I want the sharpest edge I can get, so that's how I came to the conclusion of white #2, probably over thinking it but I don't plan on buying another Sujihiki. I'd like to get some sort of texture on the cladding, be it hammer marks or something else, I can take or leave Damascus and as for the handle a simple wood is fine, only thing I do not want is a plastic ferrule.

All that being said I'm sort of overwhelmed at the number of makers and price ranges out there, also seeing that a lot of places have inventory that comes and goes which is varying, nothing like say wanting a blue Honda Accord 4 door and just finding one on a lot near you, seem a lot of these knives are done in small batches and may not be made for a while, which is pretty cool and making this process fun.

So if it looks like I can get what I'm after or close to it with what I want to spend, I'm hoping there might be some suggestions on makers or possibly retailers to check out. There's one store within a couple hours of me, District Cutlery in Washing DC that I may ride up and check out, will probably call first and see if they have anything that's close as there's no substitute for being able to put ones hands on something like this before purchasing.
 
So I'll give more thought to a specific recommendation but first wanted to say that any flavor of aogami, shirogami and ginsan/ginsanko/G3/silver3 (the "paper steels") are all very easy to sharpen and with your experience you'll have no trouble with any of them and they all take a very keen edge. Any talk of aogami being more difficult to sharpen than shirogami is, in reality, very minute and a decent sharpener will barely notice without trying to notice.

Now, I know that opens up more possibilities and maybe enhances the overwhelmingness of it but then again, it does open up more possibilities. :)
 
Thanks for the information, I had not thought of flexibility as a variable, I haven't yet handled any Sujihiks but how flexible do they get, I'm assuming not as much as a fillet knife? Also wondering what effect it has on functionality, I can see it not mattering on a pull stroke but push and large fish fillet processing I can see it making a difference.
 
The flex and the weight of a suji are pretty related - not precisely but close enough for this discussion.

At 270mm (I have several and it's all you will need), they are light and a little whippy at 160g and below. 165g is the minimum I recommend to folks unless they're only cutting wedding cakes. 180g they start to get stiff. My most used are all 220g and up but it's not unusual for me to slice portions for 200 peeps at a time. Stiff is good for a clean (not wavy) cut.

The edge retention will be longer than on a gyuto because you're not driving the blade into the board with a slicing (pull) motion the way you would with a cutting (push) motion.

Certainly suggest to anyone new to the knife world to go stainless. Yoshi SKD might meet your price requirements. Some western makers might with AEBL. HSC made the best performing one I have but it's pricey. MSCutlery (sp?) might be able to do one near your limit.
 
I think

Baba Hamono Kagekiyo White #2 Sujihiki​

Could be it. Measurments like yanagiba ,but its double bevel. This eould be my personal pick for double bevel fish slicing.
 
The flex and the weight of a suji are pretty related - not precisely but close enough for this discussion.

At 270mm (I have several and it's all you will need), they are light and a little whippy at 160g and below. 165g is the minimum I recommend to folks unless they're only cutting wedding cakes. 180g they start to get stiff. My most used are all 220g and up but it's not unusual for me to slice portions for 200 peeps at a time. Stiff is good for a clean (not wavy) cut.

The edge retention will be longer than on a gyuto because you're not driving the blade into the board with a slicing (pull) motion the way you would with a cutting (push) motion.

Certainly suggest to anyone new to the knife world to go stainless. Yoshi SKD might meet your price requirements. Some western makers might with AEBL. HSC made the best performing one I have but it's pricey. MSCutlery (sp?) might be able to do one near your limit.
Seconding @MSicardCutlery and @HSC /// Knives

Both of these makers would be able to get you exactly what you’re looking for.
 
Yoshikane white2 should be within your price range. I have a yoshikane skd suji that serves me well.
 
As @HumbleHomeCook mentioned, there will be very little difference in sharpening difficulty between the White and Blue steels. IMO most of the talk about that is just fluff for web content. Thinning will make the difference more pronounced, but it still shouldn't be a huge difference. Stainless cladding has some appreciable advantages, but I feel it's most often better to simply opt for something fully stainless, especially since at equivalent hardnesses Ginsan and AEB-L both outcut all of their carbon counterparts by a fair margin.
 
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