Is SHUN a Japanese knife?

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  1. Aug 4, 2019 #1

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    Sorry for question, but It seems made in China...
     

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    Probably need better pics, believe it or not... there are FAUX shun! ;-)
     
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    Customfan, thanks for responding.
    I was embarrassed by a strange inscription "Handcrafted in Japan"...
     

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    No worries

    Like Michi said, quick answer is.... they are... they are made in japan

    And in some part of the process, im sure they are touched by one or more ¨hands¨

    Hope this answers your question.

    The whole Shun topic tends to delve into a popcorn discussion.... ;-)
     
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    OK, thanks again, dear Customfan.
    That's from AliExpress))):
    https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/32700834147.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.7dae33edw9TNrb
    https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/32891091622.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.7dae33edw9TNrb
     
  8. Aug 4, 2019 #8
    What is your point? Aliexpress is full of cheap Chinese (and probably others too) stuff. Most likely made from some crap steel.
     
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    Counterfeit goods could be manufactured anywhere regardless of what is printed on them. If you want to buy only the legitimate product, then buy only from trustworthy retailers and sellers, which basically excludes anything from AliExpress. #facepalm
     
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    My point? Hm...
    I've restored a lot of knives, but It's my hobby - nothing commercial...
    My problem is my English, maybe You would know about me much earlier.
    OK, China.
    All info about China is outdated. They do a lot of crap and perfect thing in the same time.
    My sources of blades are Value Village, some auction in Japan and AliExpress.
    By the way I've bought knives with VG10 core on Rakuten and had a rusty edge.
    VG10 never come under rust, but they said, like It's my fault - didn't clean properly)))...
    Whatever, all knives with blades from Ali were very good!
    About my concern? I just suspect - Shun is not realy Japanese knives, stile, handle, etc.
    That's a sample of my work.
     

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    You are right, dear and I'm following that rule.
     
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    That's because the Chinese knife companies are copying Shun knives as a model for making and marketing "fancy" factory made knives to the mass market.
     
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    Yes, that sounds logical, but I've never seen "Handcrafted in Japan" on Japanese knives...
     
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    Shun is owned by Kai Corporation, which has many brands that are focused on the global market, including Shun.
    "Handcrafted in Japan" is their marketing department's idea of what will appeal to consumers in the US and Europe.
    This is why the lettering is in English, not Kanji.
    https://kaiusaltd.com/about
    https://www.kai-group.com/global/en/
     
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    Shun is a very well known brand of Kai mainly for foreign markets (they use the Seki Magoroku brand in Japanese market). Shun knives are made in Japan. It's a completely different question whether an online seller sells genuine products or fakes.

    Is Shun a Japanese brand and are genuine Shun knives are made in Japan? Definitely yes
    Is my Shun bought form an online seller a genuine Shun knife? Unfortunately no body can tell
     
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    Thanks a lot, guys!
    I live in Toronto, Canada.
    May be some one want to make good handle for a knife, tell me.
    That's gonna be free, no money, You pay only shipping.
    That's my last movie(sorry for Russian):


    Find a russian translator)))...
     
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    I thought Shun is factory-made in Portland, OR. Where Kai Knives headquarter is in. Then put a stamp in "handcraft in Japan".
     
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    @driver - wait, what? Am I misunderstanding you or are you offering to make free handles for KKF members?
     
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    @driver - sorry, I might have misunderstood your post I have reacted to. Yes, of course China can (and does) make a lot of top quality products. My point only was - a product for $30 on Aliexpress that mimics a $150 one is most likely going to be a crap of some sort. Whether it was made in China or not is actually nor relevant.
     
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    I understand my offer seems pretty suspiciously)))...
    Explanation:
    I'm 70. I like to help people. I want to live good memory before I'll pass away. I'm not an idiot and I'll make only one handle for each person. Of course the handle material will not be from amboyna))).. Bat may be...
    And again - shipping cost is Yours.
    You are right, dear Matus. In our mix world with global companies You can't find 100% exactly "made in Japan".
    May be except knives from "family business"
     
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    You are offering a free handle? Nyet way, eh? That is very generous of you. Heck, some forum members with stashes of wood blocks might even send you some for your inventory -- I know I have some blocks I may never use in the next few years. Do you make japenese-style handles as well, or do you focus on western?
     
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    I can make any kind of handle - european, or WA. And again - I know,
    my offer's very weird, but It's better, than just make a post...
     
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    I was reading this and still not 100% sure that you OP did understand what other people were saying, which was not that Shun may or may not subcontract in other countries part of the production even of their most higher end stuff (though I don’t think they need to go that far; just like Wusthof and Zwelling they have cheapened production to a great extent without subcontracting much of anything, and just like them they could have a line of knives made elsewhere under the pretence of a lower price point which they should offer on their main knives instead), but that Shun knives for 30$ are probably fake.

    As in counterfeits... falsification... not the real Shun thing whatever it is...

    Like me stamping knives in my garage and selling them as Shun. Do I look like I’m an official Shun representative? Of course not...

    Of course the notion of quality, even that of real Shun knives, tainted this discussion because people here have quite a set opinion on Shun, Global pretending to be japanese, and Wusthof, Zwelling, pretending to offer real quality.

    But the main point was to tell you, whatever the true quality of a true Shun knife, that the one selling for 30$ on Ali wasn’t nowhere near the real thing, just a (name your favorite country for these kind of hacks) counterfeit.

    edit: to be clear I was referencing to the very last part of the quote I used.
     
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  24. Oct 26, 2019 #24

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    Thanks for responding.
    But I still with my opinion - Shun, may be a global company, but not exactly Japanese...
    And I agree - knives under 50$ can not be from Japan.
     
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    And your opinion is sound and shared by most here I believe.

    Still the debate was not to show you that they may be a crappy brand, but to warn you that usually a Shun knife is about 150$ and more, and this was not one of them. Not the authentic thing. A fake. Like a rubber dinosaur...
     
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    U.S Flags are made in China. Does that make it any less of an American symbol?
     
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    YES it does!!!
     
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    Trump hats are made in Mexico...
     
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    By Mexico do you mean Mexicans living in California?
     
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    Whoops, not the hats. His Signature Collection Menswear is made in Mexico and China. Carry on..
     

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