- Dec 1, 2022
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- Tampa, FL
It seems bizarre to challenge someone's findings or experiences based on your own believes by asking them to do something. Shouldn't you first provide some evidence that what you believe is true? Where are the carefully done experiments and supporting data that proves that your beliefs have any merit and are based in reality? You are basically saying that you looked through everything that Larrin published analyzed it and came to the conclusion that he is wrong. That's fine, but please provide the proof with data. After all Larrin explained everything, all the findings, the data is provided everything is there.
It gets very exhausting to argue over the same topics with people who's believes are faith based as yours are. You basically experienced something and made an explanation that makes sense to you and now you think it is reality and must be true. If you want to challenge someone's experiments you either have to point out that the method is incorrect, data doesn't support the conclusion or provide your own experiments to prove what you are saying. So far you have done none of it. What is worse you contradict yourself even in what you say. You said that what is popular doesn't have to be true or correct and then say that blue super is the industry standard therefore has to be good. It is not a standard and even if it was it wouldn't make it superior for specific uses. Then you show that you don't understand that PM process is just a method of producing steel which has nothing to do with the specifics of the steel. You could produce any steel that way it just doesn't make sense for low alloy steels. Then you decided to define what edge stability means to you which is great except that it has been defined and explained already.
All these, "but in the real world" arguments are just misguided. Larrin's experiments are the real world and are the best we have for comparing steels and predicting their behavior in knife related applications. If your experience is different you should probably analyze why that is not claim that his results are not based in reality, they are.
Again, I am making no strong claims as Larrin is making the claims and therefore he is obligated to put forth some sort of body of work to actually prove that his tests are a meaningful metric and correlate strongly to actual use. This has never been the case therefore his 'science' is not even of the level of high school equivalent. Nobody would accept this as meaningful in the world of science without the actual work proving it does work out that way. On the contrary, there have been others who have basically disproved the idea that simply adding more wear resistance equals more edge retention in use.
What I had said about Super Blue being a very popular steel had more to do with the fact that these makers were simply using it and not waxing poetic about how much of a 'Super Steel' it was and how everything else out there is inferior. I was simply pointing out that there is a big difference in those approaches and I tend to be VERY skeptical of manufacturers claims in general and this very much extends to the steel producers themselves who are very good at presenting marketing materials that show their products very favorably but share almost nothing as to how their 'data' was generated.
My views are not faith-based in the least bit, I simply have a grasp of basic metallurgy and knife design concepts which very few seem to have and therefore what is left is simply 'metal-fantasy' where someone says something about 'X' steel and suddenly you have a whole army of believers espousing how it is the best thing since sliced bread and simply parroting what they might have heard. I do not claim to be a testing expert by any means but what I have done is plenty of discussing these matters with those who have extensive experience in this field and have actually focused on putting forth data.
One such place for such discussion was the following forum, which is still available at the following in read only format due to the site founder passing away.
Below is a thread which illustrates this point perfectly as Larrin himself was directly questioned about this issue of the model not being tested and simply assuming it correlates with real world use. He was, of course, not the first to make this error as you'll see noted in the back and forth if you read carefully.