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Chef34

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Melbourne, Australia
LOCATION
What country are you in?

Australia (Melbourne)

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?

Kiritsuke/Gyuto, or possibly a large 180mm+ Santoku

Are you right or left handed?

Right

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?

Japanese

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?

Between 180 and 240

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)

No

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?

$500 (US)

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?

Home

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)

Mostly mincing and slicing vegetables and trimming and dicing boneless proteins.

What knife, if any, are you replacing?

My Yoshimitsu Blue 2 210 Gyuto (It's too short, at 43mm, and the handle is uncomfortable and slightly loose)

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)

Pinch Grip

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)

Push Cutting
Up and Down Chopping
(Almost never rock the knife)

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)

I would like the knife to be at least 52mm tall, and not have a too curvy profile. I also want the knife to have a good grind and geometry, being quite thin behind the edge, more of a laser than a workhorse.

Better aesthetics

Not important

Comfort

I want decent fit and finish and an octagonal handle (ideally), but I'm not very fussy on these characteristics.

Ease of Use and Care

Not very important as don't I find maintaining carbon steel knives too difficult.

Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?

Fairly important, but not as important as the cutting performance and sharpening potential.


KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board?

Synthetic

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)

Yes

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives?

N/A

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)

N/A


SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS

To summarize, I'm lookin for a tallish (52mm+) Gyuto, Kiritsuke or Santoku between 180 and 240mm. I want carbon steel (White, Blue or AS), with either iron or stainless cladding. The things I'm most looking for in the knife are a reputable maker with good heat treatment and quality control, and thin geometry behind the blade. Feel free to recommend any makers/brands you've had good experiences with.
 
Welcome. It's customary to post an intro in new member introductions when joining - better to find you and welcome you aboard.
 
That tall in a flat profile is not easy.

Look at Masashi and Toyama/ Watanabe.
 
How do you find the gyuto tip for trimming proteins?
At this price you could split off a little for a suji/pointy petty knife.
 
Check out Kaz's knife shop and Chef's Armoury, they both have some nice options to feel out. Chef's Armoury is definitely on top for gyuto selection, they have a few as of yesterday that are both reasonably tall and flat.
 
Matsubara make good knives with generous heel height, and appear to be widely available. Very good value for money, IMO.

The Yoshikane referred to above doesn't look half-bad either.
 
I would recommend Matsubara 240 Gyuto too.It cuts well and quite tall. I have just bought a Mazaki 270 and found it really big and heavy.

I have owned knives from over 20 blacksmiths from Japan, both high end and affordable. At the moment I’d say Yoshikane (I still have 3 of them and a brand new 240 SKD if you are interested) and Matsubara are really good gateway drugs that are widely available and affordable. However, to save your hard earned money, I’d recommend you to pick up a Toyama or Watanabe first. Otherwise you’d want to buy them later regardless. Don’t ask me how I know. I once bought more than 15 Sanjo knives within 3months and still own more than 10 Sanjo gyuto. Also, if you don’t like it, you’d be able to find someone who does very quickly.
 
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I would recommend Matsubara 240 Gyuto too.It cuts well and quite tall. I have just bought a Mazaki 270 and found it really big and heavy.

I have owned knives from over 20 blacksmiths from Japan, both high end and affordable. At the moment I’d say Yoshikane (I still have 3 of them and a brand new 240 SKD if you are interested) and Matsubara are really good gateway drugs that are widely available and affordable. However, to save your hard earned money, I’d recommend you to pick up a Toyama or Watanabe first. Otherwise you’d want to buy them later regardless. Don’t ask me how I know. I once bought more than 15 Sanjo knives within 3months and still own more than 10 Sanjo gyuto. Also, if you don’t like it, you’d be able to find someone who does very quickly.
Matsubara (Sakai Kikumori) has arrived to Japanese Knife Studio, Brisbane.
 
Hi Romanjanos, I went to this website and didn't find any Matsubara knives. Matsubara hamono is different from Sakai Kikumori. It is actually from Nagasaki.
They came today. The owner is working alone in the shop and he didn't have time to upload them to the website. He sent me few pictures today. Kikumori is selling and branding knifes from lot of different region.

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They came today. The owner is working alone in the shop and he didn't have time to upload them to the website. He sent me few pictures today. Kikumori is selling and branding knifes from lot of different region.

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Thanks for sharing. I have a blue 2 tsuchime 240 Matsubara Gyuto. But I actually prefer the ku version.
 
I would recommend Matsubara 240 Gyuto too.It cuts well and quite tall. I have just bought a Mazaki 270 and found it really big and heavy.

I have owned knives from over 20 blacksmiths from Japan, both high end and affordable. At the moment I’d say Yoshikane (I still have 3 of them and a brand new 240 SKD if you are interested) and Matsubara are really good gateway drugs that are widely available and affordable. However, to save your hard earned money, I’d recommend you to pick up a Toyama or Watanabe first. Otherwise you’d want to buy them later regardless. Don’t ask me how I know. I once bought more than 15 Sanjo knives within 3months and still own more than 10 Sanjo gyuto. Also, if you don’t like it, you’d be able to find someone who does very quickly.
Are you interested in selling the Yoshikane?
 
Perhaps its a bit short for me (49mm). Do you have any experience with Takeda knives - thin and (very) tall?
Yes I have owned Takeda in the past and sold it as it is way too thin to my liking. If you want a taller knife go with Toyama/Watanabe 53mm, JNS Kaeru 55mm Yoshimune Kawamura 210 53mm, Isamitsu 55mm or Matsubara 57mm first. Yoshikane Ktip 240 Gyuto is 57mm tall but it is dead flat. Another option is those tall Hado 58mm, manaka 54mm and Shiro Kamo 53mm. Mazaki and JNS Munetoshi new batch are both tall but a bit too beefy behind the edge.

It is better to go to a local knife shop to try before you buy. I reckon cutting performance/feeling is more important than the height. Height is only one factor contributing to the end result. Hence why Yoshikane and Masamoto KS are so popular.
 
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I have two Takedas. Very atypical, as Japanese knives go: tall, thin and primarily noted for their food release qualities. Also, difficult to find and relatively expensive. Not really the best option for an all-round knife, imo.
 
I have two Takedas. Very atypical, as Japanese knives go: tall, thin and primarily noted for their food release qualities. Also, difficult to find and relatively expensive. Not really the best option for an all-round knife, imo.
Well said. Takeda picks its owner.I bought mine years ago and it has since become thinner every year.
 
Toyama or Watanabe. My 240 Toyama Gyuto is 56mm, and has the profile you describe. For significantly less $ the Watanabe is the way to go - same/same knife geometry as Toyama. I own a Watanabe Santoku. For not much more money, far better knives than the Matsubara's being recommended (I've owned a number of Matsubara's and Saki Kikumori look-alikes).

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