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pjheff said:
I am less concerned by the price or the construction than the maker, about whom I have read very little. Can anyone offer a primer?
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@pjheff I have two knives from Adonis. The "White Sea" gyuto and the "Ame" petty. In short, I think they are fantastic and get the most use out of my collection. I think they look fantastic, the fit and finish is very very good (not perfect, and the grind is excellent. From a fit and finish, Antoine is a perfectionist and it shows in the final product.

Balance is usually at the pinch grip. The convex grind is excellent, as I mentioned. Food release isn't amazing like an s-grind, but it's still good. The edge holds really well with stropping every now and then. Knife is very sharp out of the box, but not the sharpest I've received.

So is the price worth it? I think so. While it is higher than many other makers out there, it's a great value given the amount of work he puts into each knife.

For reference, my collection includes Kamon, Yanick, Evan, Black Lotus, Takada no Hamono, Nakagawa, Halcyon, made by Karys, Fredrik Spare, and SteeleWorks.



 
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Is the Suiboku the hottest knife not made by Shigefusa or Yoshiaki Fujiwara on the market now?

strata has a 270 Hitohira kikuchiyo Yohei “Kasumi” gyuto… that’s really a Suiboku if anyone wants it (although I’ve been thinking about it to go with my Fujiyama FT)
 
Southpaw said:
Is the Suiboku the hottest knife not made by Shigefusa or Yoshiaki Fujiwara on the market now?

strata has a 270 Hitohira kikuchiyo Yohei “Kasumi” gyuto… that’s really a Suiboku if anyone wants it (although I’ve been thinking about it to go with my Fujiyama FT)
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the hitohira yohei knives also tend to be a bit cheaper as well.

Are there any major differences in geometry between the knife lines? I recently picked up a used Tanaka yohei b1 from bst and was expecting more of a laser than the midweight that arrived, which wasn't a bad thing. I just thought both lines leaned towards the laser side of the spectrum.
 
Southpaw said:
Is the Suiboku the hottest knife not made by Shigefusa or Yoshiaki Fujiwara on the market now?

strata has a 270 Hitohira kikuchiyo Yohei “Kasumi” gyuto… that’s really a Suiboku if anyone wants it (although I’ve been thinking about it to go with my Fujiyama FT)
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Based on difficulty it's still FM (even moreso Kaiju, vintage carbon etc). And maybe Tetsujin metal flow. Suiboku dammy is also hard to get. Suiboku is pretty attainable in general. I've seen them sit for days but Suiboku dammy and FM+variants sell out usually in minutes. I think the finish on the Yohei is different, and the other Takadas are somewhat available.
 
Southpaw said:
Is the Suiboku the hottest knife not made by Shigefusa or Yoshiaki Fujiwara on the market now?

strata has a 270 Hitohira kikuchiyo Yohei “Kasumi” gyuto… that’s really a Suiboku if anyone wants it (although I’ve been thinking about it to go with my Fujiyama FT)
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I’d say Kaiju is probably hotter and much more difficult to get.
 
Southpaw said:
Is the Suiboku the hottest knife not made by Shigefusa or Yoshiaki Fujiwara on the market now?

strata has a 270 Hitohira kikuchiyo Yohei “Kasumi” gyuto… that’s really a Suiboku if anyone wants it (although I’ve been thinking about it to go with my Fujiyama FT)
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The Tanaka/Kikuchiyo Yohei Kasumi lines are not at all similar to the suiboku line. If anything its much closer to the slightly heavier and thicker Reika line. Based on my personal experience with a 240 reika, suiboku w1 & kikuchiyo yohei b2

FWIW I do think there was only 1 available at Miura, the stock doesnt seem to update instantly, unless someone else managed to luckily snag 1 as well?

Additionally, the JPY prices are cheaper than the USD prices on Miura, so if your credit card can accept foreign currencies with no surcharge, thats a better alternative.
 
blokey said:
I’d say Kaiju is probably hotter and much more difficult to get.
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The scarcity of the Kaiju is specifically a choice by Konosuke (or maybe the inability to get Ivan to do finish polishing). You can see the output of Y Tanaka and Myojin are not the blockers here (by looking at the other work they do)
 
iandustries said:
The Tanaka/Kikuchiyo Yohei Kasumi lines are not at all similar to the suiboku line. If anything its much closer to the slightly heavier and thicker Reika line. Based on my personal experience with a 240 reika, suiboku w1 & kikuchiyo yohei b2

FWIW I do think there was only 1 available at Miura, the stock doesnt seem to update instantly, unless someone else managed to luckily snag 1 as well?

Additionally, the JPY prices are cheaper than the USD prices on Miura, so if your credit card can accept foreign currencies with no surcharge, thats a better alternative.
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The Tanaka Yohei lines are different, however the Nakagawa(Kikuchiyo) have taken the form of the Suiboku. (I’m not sure if they even did a Kasumi together for Hitohira before Suiboku came out).
But this is almost identical to the TnH Suiboku-
https://strataportland.com/products...-yohei-ginsan-kasumi-270mm-gyuto-ebony-handle
Also I have a Konosuke Fujiyama FT that is literally identical to my Suiboku knives.

esoo said:
The scarcity of the Kaiju is specifically a choice by Konosuke (or maybe the inability to get Ivan to do finish polishing). You can see the output of Y Tanaka and Myojin are not the blockers here (by looking at the other work they do)
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This brings up a point…

Mitsuaki-San is super prolific. I see Suiboku go up for sale EVERYWHERE all the time way more than I see Fujiyama FM and Kaiju. Fujiyama was another one I considered butthe Suiboku
 
blokey said:
I’d say Kaiju is probably hotter and much more difficult to get.
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Yeah, myojin himself said that the number of kaiju he has grinded are very very very few. And he hasn’t been making any of them lately either.

It is rarer than kato workhorse, Shigefusas, Tsukasa riverjumps, togashi/tosa honyakis. It is on the level of ashi honyakis.
 
shinyunggyun said:
Yeah, myojin himself said that the number of kaiju he has grinded are very very very few. And he hasn’t been making any of them lately either.

It is rarer than kato workhorse, Shigefusas, Tsukasa riverjumps, togashi/tosa honyakis. It is on the level of ashi honyakis.
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Exactly. My point are Suiboku knives are dropped all the time, and are gone almost as quick
 
From personal experience I can say the yohei gyutos aren’t quite as thin as Takada no Hamono. Maybe I picked up a mediocre sample a couple years ago….but it was a meh cutter. Maybe things have changed, the finish was basic kasumi nothing like suiboku finish either (like the new one posted above)
If they are similar or the same nowadays then that’s a really great deal.
 
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