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Mikolaj_lukas

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Hello all, I am moving out in order to be closer to university and I need a kitchen knife as I love cooking and thought having a good one that would last me years could make cooking even more enjoyable, I have no knives of my own but hate my parents cheap stamped knives and would want to get something good, I already have a whetstone which I have been practicing on with my parents knives with decent results.

LOCATION
UK

KNIFE TYPE
I'm not sure what type of knife would be best for me, whether it would be a Chinese cleaver, western chef's knife, gyuto or a Santoku, I would prefer something all purpose

Are you right or left handed? right handed

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle? I am indifferent to handle type

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)? Nothing exceeding 8 1/2 inches as I find them unwieldy

Do you require a stainless knife? Easy maintenance is ideal however I'd be open to a semi stainless knife and getting into better knife care habits

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife? £300gbp



KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment? I intend to use this cooking at home

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for: slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats

What knife, if any, are you replacing? I don't own any knife

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? I primarily use a pinch grip

What cutting motions do you primarily use? I prefer push cut however I have been trying to get better at rock chopping

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.),I like the look of the kurouchi finish, somewhat unreactive to acidic foods like tomatoes and onions, a better shape for push cutting, ideally best balance of reactivity and ease of sharpening although I do have a gift whetstone from my grandfather which I have been trying to practice on with my parents knives and I would like a good edge retention




KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board? I'm planning on buying a thick wooden chopping board, I have been looking at the dalstrong one however if anyone has any good recommendations?

Do you sharpen your own knives? I'm trying to

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives? Yes

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? Yes
 
for the first knife not going to recommend something expensive...so Takamura chromax 210 gyuto.
plus some good stones for sharpening. Also... if possible, get a good cutting board.
 
for the first knife not going to recommend something expensive...so Takamura chromax 210 gyuto.
plus some good stones for sharpening. Also... if possible, get a good cutting board.
I've had a look at this knife, it has really good reviews but the Rockwell hardness is 64/65, is this okay for a first knife as long as I'm not an idiot and don't do any lateral movements or get remotely close to bone?
 
First time user. Pro=stainless steel with western handle, home=carbon with wa handle.

But that's just me, I can't imagine taking care of a carbon wa handle in a Pro setting. But carbon is easier to sharpen for first users, some thought.
 
What do people think of wusthof classic ikon knives?
This is a nice knife to own for a couple reasons. Soft steel may not have the edge retention of the J-knives, but it is forgiving and hard to damage, so a great starter knife. Also you can do things like rock chop without fear, so even if you upgrade later, this will be a nice knife to have around as a beater. Don't be discouraged by the shorter edge retention though, as a home cook, the edge retention will not be burdensome IMO.

These are high carbon stainless, but don't be complacent, it will corrode if mistreated, even if not visible to the naked eye. If you get this or any other, develop the essential habit of keeping your knives clean and dry when not in use.

I also like the Shiro Kamo suggestion above.
 
What do people think of wusthof classic ikon knives?
Since Wüsthof has introduced robotised production they don't come with their former convex edges, but with V-edges they barely hold. The steel is fool-proof, but doesn't allow a fine edge. They come strongly handle-heavy, which works only with rock-chopping. The profile makes the tip useless unless you're tall and working behind too low a counter. Far too expensive for a mediocre product.
 
What do people think of wusthof classic ikon knives?

They're alright but I think you can do better for the money. They are thick ground and handle heavy.

Here's a nice series:
https://japanesechefsknife.com/collections/jck-natures-blue-clouds-series
Not sure how it fares financially with the import stuff but it's an example of what is out there that is, in my opinion, at least as nice as Ikon line.

I have several Wusthof Gourmet knives. They are a touch softer than the Ikons but at those levels I doubt you'll notice. They also have a "simpler" handle that I feel actually help the knife be more blade balanced and I honestly like the line. The price has come up lately but I still think they are offer a decent value and are good performers. You can lightly thin the edge bevel shoulders and they really start to sing. You also won't be worried about scuffing it up as you learn. You may also save enough money for some sharpening gear.
 
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For an all-around that will get u quality without breaking the bank, it's hard to beat a victorinox 8" for a western style chef knife, or the Chan Chi Kee (CCK) 1912 for a chinese cleaver. Both will be able to do pretty much anything you need aside from hacking through bones, and will offer excellent bang for buck. I'd also recommend setting aside some budget to get a medium grit whetstone such as a Shapton Kuromaku 1000. Any knife, regardless of price will eventually dull, so you will want a way to maintain it.
 
I've had a look at this knife, it has really good reviews but the Rockwell hardness is 64/65, is this okay for a first knife as long as I'm not an idiot and don't do any lateral movements or get remotely close to bone?
as long as you keep this knife from hard ingredients, its fine.
 
It just says that it's semi stainless so I thought it'd be good, with practice would I be able to sharpen it or would it be unattainable, I can sharpen a crappy knife until it can about pass the tomato test? If that counts for anything

Oh no, in no way is it unattainable and of course you can learn it. Good sharpening gear will be key. I don't have a ton of experience with ZDP-189 but what I have played with, I found it very easy to miss the burr and it would frustrate me. Of course it's also quite hard so it can take some patience and focus.

That said, steels like the Aogami family (don't be afraid of it being carbon) and Ginsan/Silver 3 will be comparably nice to sharpen and still provide excellent performance. Aogami Super is among my favorites in the kitchen.
 
Oh no, in no way is it unattainable and of course you can learn it. Good sharpening gear will be key. I don't have a ton of experience with ZDP-189 but what I have played with, I found it very easy to miss the burr and it would frustrate me. Of course it's also quite hard so it can take some patience and focus.

That said, steels like the Aogami family (don't be afraid of it being carbon) and Ginsan/Silver 3 will be comparably nice to sharpen and still provide excellent performance. Aogami Super is among my favorites in the kitchen.
I've heard that carbon steels can change the taste of some ingredient's? Is this true or not?
 
I've heard that carbon steels can change the taste of some ingredient's? Is this true or not?

It's not that straight forward in my experience. Some knives on some foods might cause some iron taste, especially if they don't have any patina but I think far, far more do not. Also, often it is some carbon mono steels or soft iron cladding that causes. I've not had a problem with stainless clad knives.

In fact, the only carbon knives I can remember doing that are from many years ago when I was kid using my grandpa's kitchen knives that I don't recall the bran but were European, softer, mono carbon.
 
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