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Kunning

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Hi guys, I'm looking for a second knife. something a bit more sturdy than a laser knife ! I filled out the questionnaire if you could take a look please ? THanks for your help !
LOCATION
What country are you in?
France

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?
Gyuto
Are you right or left handed?
Right handed

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?

Wa-handle
What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
210-240mm

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
Yes

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?
400 Euros

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?
At home

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)
slicing vegetable, slicing meats, cutting down poultry.

What knife, if any, are you replacing?

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)
Pinch Grip
What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)
Rocking motion and push cut.

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)
Something not to thin, I already have a yoshimi kato which is a laser
Better aesthetics

Yes

Comfort
Sure

Ease of Use and Care
I'm okay with a maintenance, I already have a AS knife

Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?
Dont have to sharpen too often

KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board?
wood cutting board
Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)
Yes
If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives?

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)
Yes
 
Jns kaeru, sturdy and stainless clad semistainless. Nicer to sharpen respect a full stainless, but less reactive than carbon.
 
Okay thanks guys ! I take a look at Sukenari, I only have 1000 et 3000 suehiro cerax whetstones, do you have any brand you can recommend for diamond stones ?
 
I’d do a plus one on the sukenari. Hap40 and zdp have really long edge retention but do require some harder stones than just whetstones I think. Probably diamond stones
Shaptons and Choseras work on my Hap40 (Kohetsu) and ZDP (FRKZ, so Sukenari) knives. Quickly — no, but they do the job.
 
By the way, I have and love Sukenari in Hap40. I also really like the Kaeru SLD. I use it when I travel or I'm working very quickly and don't want to think about the knife. The Sukenari is "nicer." It holds a great edge forever.
 
I like the Sukenari suggestion. Gave one to my gf ages ago as 'something a bit less lasery that's still really nice'. But it's more a middleweight than a heavy workhorse.
If you want a true heavy workhorse and you're okay with a rustbucket the default workhorse recommendations are Munetoshi and Mazaki.
 
I have a 210mm sukenari in HAP40 I use at work a lot, it's one of my favorite knives. Yeah the steel is super hard and feels "glassy" on my naniwa 1k, but it really doesn't take long to sharpen and it stays sharp forever. I thought I needed a diamond plate for this knife and bought one only to find out my 1k cuts it just fine.
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Okay thanks guys ! I take a look at Sukenari, I only have 1000 et 3000 suehiro cerax whetstones, do you have any brand you can recommend for diamond stones ?

I love my Sukenari hap40 kiritsuke. Sukenari heat treatment is way harder than hap 40-s from other brands .

I highly recommend the Naniwa Diamond 400 - 1000 whetstone for sharpening the Sukenari HAP40 knife. It is available at a reasonable price on Amazon.

I'm always stop at 1000grit and leather strop with the knife and it will be super sharp and have a very toothy edge that'll stay sharp for long time (5x more than my nigara sg2)
 
I like the Sukenari suggestion. Gave one to my gf ages ago as 'something a bit less lasery that's still really nice'. But it's more a middleweight than a heavy workhorse.
If you want a true heavy workhorse and you're okay with a rustbucket the default workhorse recommendations are Munetoshi and Mazaki.

I would add Moritaka to this list. They tend to be a little shorter at the heel and have a lower bevel than those other two, reminiscent of Heiji in that respect. Their AS is fantastic.
 
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