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jiimmy

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LOCATION
What country are you in?

Germany

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?

I'm interested in a gyuto/chef's knife.

Are you right or left handed?

Right handed


Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?

Japanese handle if possible


What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?

Up to 210mm


Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)

Doesnt matter.


What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?

90€ but i would prefer something around like 75-80€


KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?

At home


What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)

I mean just basic stuff. Basically everything above except filleting meat and fish and breaking poultry bones.


What knife, if any, are you replacing?

Not replacing any particular knife

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)

I use the pinch grip most often

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)

Push-Cut,Slice,Chop


What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)

Comfort


Ease of Use and Care


Lightweight


Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?

I dont really mind


KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board?

Wood

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)

I dont have any sharpening equipment on hand but i intend to buy sharpening equipment

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives?

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)

Yes


SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS
I know my budget is kinda low for a gyuto so if its not possible to get a gyuto for my budget just a regular chef's knife is fine. I want something that will last a long time and thats basically it. Thanks.
 
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This is probably the closest
https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...to-japanesechefsknife-com?variant=28871168131
If you don’t mind some balance issue, the Dongsun recommended here
https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/...and-recommend-thread.61929/page-2#post-985975
Tho if you can, I highly recommend up some budget and get the JCK Kagayaki basic, excellent knife with good steel.
https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...aki-basic-series-gyuto-180mm-to-270mm-4-sizes
I'm new to this whole topic so if you dont mind can you tell me some differences between the JCK Kagayaki and Fujiwara Kanefusa? Thank you
 
This is probably the closest
https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...to-japanesechefsknife-com?variant=28871168131
If you don’t mind some balance issue, the Dongsun recommended here
https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/...and-recommend-thread.61929/page-2#post-985975
Tho if you can, I highly recommend up some budget and get the JCK Kagayaki basic, excellent knife with good steel.
https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...aki-basic-series-gyuto-180mm-to-270mm-4-sizes
Also i cannot find the JCK Kagayaki locally. I found the Fujiwara Kanefusa for 95€ (shipping and vat included) which is still quite over my budget but still not expensive as getting it imported i think
 
This is probably the closest
https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...to-japanesechefsknife-com?variant=28871168131
If you don’t mind some balance issue, the Dongsun recommended here
https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/...and-recommend-thread.61929/page-2#post-985975
Tho if you can, I highly recommend up some budget and get the JCK Kagayaki basic, excellent knife with good steel.
https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...aki-basic-series-gyuto-180mm-to-270mm-4-sizes
Masutani Damast Gyuto 180mm Pakka dunkelblau - Knife Art
https://kuechenkompane.com/collections/premium-knives/products/damast-gyutohttps://www.scharfesjapan.de/messer/kochmesser-gyuto/tojiro-dp-37-eco-kochmesser-180mmI also found these 3 knives. They are from local websites so i wont have to deal with imports etc. Can you tell me if these are any good?
 
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Masutani is excellent for the price, I’d go for it, Tojiro is okay, the Damast has suspicions writing all around it
 
I'm new to this whole topic so if you dont mind can you tell me some differences between the JCK Kagayaki and Fujiwara Kanefusa? Thank you
Steel (aus8 vs vg1), grind and profile.
Also i cannot find the JCK Kagayaki locally. I found the Fujiwara Kanefusa for 95€ (shipping and vat included) which is still quite over my budget but still not expensive as getting it imported i think
JCK only sells from Japan.
 
Masutani is excellent for the price, I’d go for it, Tojiro is okay, the Damast has suspicions writing all around it
Alright thank you so much. I think i'll just go for the Masutani. Much appreciated
 
Personally I‘d get one good 1000 grit stone like Shapton, and practice from there.
Dont you need 2 different grits tho? I suppose if i get a good knife i would only need 1 grit i think?
 
Dont you need 2 different grits tho? I suppose if i get a good knife i would only need 1 grit i think?
No, you don't need 2 grits. In fact most stainless steel doesn't benefit much from higher grit stone. If you want dual grits, it's actually more useful to get something like 400 and 1000, where 400 could be used in thinning and repairing.
 
Personally I‘d get one good 1000 grit stone like Shapton, and practice from there.
Do cheap and expensive whetstones have a big difference? Because i kinda dont want to splurge too much on a whetstone.
Amazon.de
Like would this suffice?
 
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Do cheap and expensive whetstones have a big difference? Because i kinda dont want to splurge too much on a whetstone.
Amazon.de
Like would this suffice?
They have quite big difference, cheaper stone usually have incorrect grits, and less abrasives thus very slow. Shapton 1000 is fast, require no soaking and very forgiving to learn on.
 
They have quite big difference, cheaper stone usually have incorrect grits, and less abrasives thus very slow. Shapton 1000 is fast, require no soaking and very forgiving to learn on.
Its quite expensive tho its 50€ almost half the price i'm paying for the knife. Can you recommend some cheaper options if possible please?
 
Its quite expensive tho its 50€ almost half the price i'm paying for the knife. Can you recommend some cheaper options if possible please?
So you can probably forego the whetstone for quite awhile, keep in mind your knife will get dull and that is dangerous. But you should save up for nice stones, they will last you almost a lifetime.
 
So you can probably forego the whetstone for quite awhile, keep in mind your knife will get dull and that is dangerous. But you should save up for nice stones, they will last you almost a lifetime.
I second this, factory edge should last you some time. A Shapton 1000 will last you a life time in home kitchen, it’s worth saving a bit for.
 
Do cheap and expensive whetstones have a big difference? Because i kinda dont want to splurge too much on a whetstone.
Amazon.de
Like would this suffice?
There's cheap/inexpensive and then there's CHEAP, like Sharp Pebble.

King and Suehiro are pretty budget friendly. Norton Crystolon and India are other budget options, if available to you.
 
If you want a knife to last you a long time, and you're already putting yourself on a budget, then save up and get good stone and then next a flattening stone. As a main/primary use knife in that steel, the edge won't last all that long and if it gets pretty dull before you spring for a decent stone, it may be beyond a decent 1000 to really bring back.

Can you find Ultra Sharp diamond plates where you are? Something like a 600 would serve you well and doesn't need flattening.
 
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If you want a knife to last you a long time, and you're already putting yourself on a budget, then save up and get good stone and then next a flattening stone. As a main/primary use knife in that steel, the edge won't last all that long and if it gets pretty dull before you spring for a decent stone, it may be beyond a decent 1000 to really bring back.

Can you find Ultra Sharp diamond plates where you are? Something like a 600 would serve you well and doesn't need flattening.
Well its kinda hard,i couldn’t find any local shops that sell it. Does it have to be ultrasharp? I can find some other brands but not ultrasharp.
 
You can find the masutani on other shops lightly cheaper.
https://www.meesterslijpers.nl/masutani-vg10-royal-blue-gyuto
You don't have to pay customs fees
 
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