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I'm planning to buy my first japanese knife very soon, and wanted to make sure I went in the right direction. I'm a home cook (roughly 2x/week), don't do anything terribly complicated.

I'm primarily driven by aesthetics, but I'd like something that performs well, and that I don't have to worry about breaking the blade (though I do tend to be fairly careful with how I treat my knives).

At the moment I'm looking at the Nigara Anmon (raindrop) damascus gyuto, 210mm long with the western handle in green turquoise. It's terrific aesthetically (though ideally I'd get red or blue turquoise handle, though those are sold out now). I'd also be happy with something like a more typical damascus pattern and a western handle (especially if the handle has some nice color to it) - or even a shiny hammered pattern.

Let me know if there are other knives that I should potentially be looking at, etc. Thanks for any input.


LOCATION
What country are you in? USA


KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?
GYUTO (I think just a regular Gyuto type, not the kind with the kiritsuke tip)

Are you right or left handed?
Right-handed

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?
Western handle, I think - I've never had the opportunity to really use a knife with a japanese handle, but the western handle is definitely more familiar to me.

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
8", or 210 mm (I'm willing to consider larger knives, but this is what I'm pretty used to).


Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
Yes

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?
$600

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?
Home

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)
Slicing meat for typical home meals, slicing some vegetables, chopping garlic, etc.

What knife, if any, are you replacing?
Wusthof Classic 8" chef's knife

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)
I typically use pinch grip

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)
Push cut & slice - rarely walking if I'm chopping up herbs.


What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)

Better aesthetics

Slightly easier cutting (I've generally been pretty happy with the performance of my current 8" Wusthof Classic - but I haven't experienced anything else)


Comfort


Ease of Use and Care


Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?


KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board?
Synthetic (I use Oxo Good Grips plastic cutting boards currently)

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)
No.

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives?
Not really - I've got a toddler & other hobbies, don't really have a lot of time to spend on sharpening knives as a hobby.
I live in the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area of North Carolina, and it looks like there are at least two local businesses that specialize in sharpening japanese knives. So I'm planning on using their services 1-2x/year, along with maybe stropping on my own if necessary.


Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)
No
 
I’d spend 400 for the knife and put the other 200 into the cutting board. Esthetic of the whole system would be better. I can’t imagine using a $600 knife on an oxo cutting board

Try one of these

https://theboardsmith.com/
I love the looks of those boards, but how do you folks deal with cleaning them, especially after cutting meat? It seems like it'd be pretty unwieldy to carry to the sink all the time, etc. Like the main reason I use the plastic board is bc it's easy to wash after I'm done.
 
Don't make the same mistake I made at the beginning. Do not be seduced by fancy welded pattern Damascus knife some are good some are really bad. I have a number of Japanese knives I find myself mostly using one of my Gyutos. If you are just starting out do what I should have done. Start with a nice Japanese made Gyuto 240mm is about right for me anyway.
 
I love the looks of those boards, but how do you folks deal with cleaning them, especially after cutting meat? It seems like it'd be pretty unwieldy to carry to the sink all the time, etc. Like the main reason I use the plastic board is bc it's easy to wash after I'm done.
For produce, I prefer edge grain wood boards to end grain mostly because of the weight. But end grain is usually prettier. Just keep your OXO board for meat. It can probably handle the dishwasher.
 
I love the looks of those boards, but how do you folks deal with cleaning them, especially after cutting meat? It seems like it'd be pretty unwieldy to carry to the sink all the time, etc. Like the main reason I use the plastic board is bc it's easy to wash after I'm done.
Here’s the care instructions, it’s not that hard.

https://theboardsmith.com/pages/car...dTCecwxC48W1EFoYHI6_KZZUT_NbsxDUzdG4OULZj5E5t


The knife you were looking at is available for about $400 from a perhaps more reputable dealer like carbon knife company. I tend to agree with @Transmaster , if you are serious about getting stuff done in the kitchen spending all your gold on just one knife is going to lead to disappointment. Think of it as a system, even if you don’t want to sharpen having one stone for touchups and a companion knife to your daily driver, and a decent board is kinda the minimum investment you should consider. Your budget is plenty, think about reallocating what you need.

If you’re going to switch to a pinch grip go with a 220-240 gyuto. If you’re going to keep holding the handle a 200-210 is probably better.
 
I love the looks of those boards, but how do you folks deal with cleaning them, especially after cutting meat? It seems like it'd be pretty unwieldy to carry to the sink all the time, etc. Like the main reason I use the plastic board is bc it's easy to wash after I'm done.
The very best cutting board for meat especially is the Gel cutting board. They are made out of a dense silicone. They are very easy on cutting edges, and are easy to clean.

https://www.thekitchn.com/gel-cutting-board-review-23102751
 
No fan of Damascus here. They may look terrific, but make a simple sharpening with some maintenance thinning a huge job. Both faces need to be reworked with different grits of sandpaper, and reetched with aggressive chemicals.
Even without thinning they don't stay very pretty after six months of use.
In no way the Damascus contributes to performance. Generally, Damascus knives are thicker than others.
 
If you're truly intent on a damascus-style knife and someone else is sharpening it, what do you think of this?
https://www.chefknivestogo.com/hahada21.html (It's at Chef Knives To Go.)

If not, what do you think of these?
https://www.epicedge.com/shopexd.asp?id=100552
https://www.echefknife.com/products...black-pakkawood-handle?variant=45381600608486

Another approach you might consider is to reserve the damascus for later on, when you go for your first single-bevel knife. With those, thinning is built into sharpening and there's no such issue with re-etching or other such matters when it's time to thin the knife.
 
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No fan of Damascus here. They may look terrific, but make a simple sharpening with some maintenance thinning a huge job. Both faces need to be reworked with different grits of sandpaper, and reetched with aggressive chemicals.
Even without thinning they don't stay very pretty after six months of use.
In no way the Damascus contributes to performance. Generally, Damascus knives are thicker than others.
I don't find most of this to be true. I haven't refinished any of my damascus knives, they still look good. And why would they be thicker? The cladding can be just as thin as any iron/stainless clad. I have damascus lasers...

The guy wants damascus, let him enjoy it
 
I don't find most of this to be true. I haven't refinished any of my damascus knives, they still look good. And why would they be thicker? The cladding can be just as thin as any iron/stainless clad. I have damascus lasers...

The guy wants damascus, let him enjoy it
So, you have sharpened without any maintenance thinning. Behind the edge the blade will have become considerably thicker.
 
OP here, thanks for all the input so far. As I've been reading comments (& looking at other threads) my thinking is evolving. I'm fine with getting a stone to do touch-ups and such, and I'm looking at getting a better wood cutting board.

Regarding the knife, I'm okay with going with a cheaper knife to start off with (jumping in to the shallow end, so to speak), and I'm not necessarily intent on Damascus, as it seems that may complicate things. I *would* like something that's got something nice going on aesthetically, but that could be from finish, hammering, etc.

Maybe VG10 (or something alomg those lines) is a better steel to start off with than SG2. And I'm willing to try a wa handle, since it could be just fine for me (just haven't tried it yet). I do use pinch grip, so it's not like my whole hand is even engaging my current Western handle.
 
If you don't mind the looks of the board that much, then hasegawa is good option as well. They are not as good looking as wood imo. Those are dishwasher safe and good on the edges.
 
So, you have sharpened without any maintenance thinning. Behind the edge the blade will have become considerably thicker.
Nothing to do with Damascus what are you saying...is something lost in translation? If you start with 1mm thick core steel in forging and it's clad with 2mm of iron or stainless on each side, or Damascus it literally makes no difference. Same with a "coreless" setup

My Damascus Takada is one of my thinnest behind the edge knives, I think you are confused in regards to Damascus. It's just a cladding like any other. It can be as thick or as thin as the blacksmith/sharpener want it to be... My 2 Damascus knives are the thinnest I have, a myojin and a Takada.
 
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OP here, thanks for all the input so far. As I've been reading comments (& looking at other threads) my thinking is evolving. I'm fine with getting a stone to do touch-ups and such, and I'm looking at getting a better wood cutting board.

Regarding the knife, I'm okay with going with a cheaper knife to start off with (jumping in to the shallow end, so to speak), and I'm not necessarily intent on Damascus, as it seems that may complicate things. I *would* like something that's got something nice going on aesthetically, but that could be from finish, hammering, etc.

Maybe VG10 (or something alomg those lines) is a better steel to start off with than SG2. And I'm willing to try a wa handle, since it could be just fine for me (just haven't tried it yet). I do use pinch grip, so it's not like my whole hand is even engaging my current Western handle.
I would go ginsan over vg-10, should be a bit tougher. Sg2 is also a bit better edge retention wise while being a tad tougher. Besides price I don't see much of a benefit to vg-10 these days
 
I'm planning to buy my first japanese knife very soon, and wanted to make sure I went in the right direction. I'm a home cook (roughly 2x/week), don't do anything terribly complicated.

I'm primarily driven by aesthetics, but I'd like something that performs well, and that I don't have to worry about breaking the blade (though I do tend to be fairly careful with how I treat my knives).

At the moment I'm looking at the Nigara Anmon (raindrop) damascus gyuto, 210mm long with the western handle in green turquoise. It's terrific aesthetically (though ideally I'd get red or blue turquoise handle, though those are sold out now). I'd also be happy with something like a more typical damascus pattern and a western handle (especially if the handle has some nice color to it) - or even a shiny hammered pattern.

Let me know if there are other knives that I should potentially be looking at, etc. Thanks for any input.


LOCATION
What country are you in? USA


KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?
GYUTO (I think just a regular Gyuto type, not the kind with the kiritsuke tip)

Are you right or left handed?
Right-handed

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?
Western handle, I think - I've never had the opportunity to really use a knife with a japanese handle, but the western handle is definitely more familiar to me.

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
8", or 210 mm (I'm willing to consider larger knives, but this is what I'm pretty used to).


Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
Yes

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?
$600

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?
Home

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)
Slicing meat for typical home meals, slicing some vegetables, chopping garlic, etc.

What knife, if any, are you replacing?
Wusthof Classic 8" chef's knife

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)
I typically use pinch grip

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)
Push cut & slice - rarely walking if I'm chopping up herbs.


What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)

Better aesthetics

Slightly easier cutting (I've generally been pretty happy with the performance of my current 8" Wusthof Classic - but I haven't experienced anything else)


Comfort


Ease of Use and Care


Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?


KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board?
Synthetic (I use Oxo Good Grips plastic cutting boards currently)

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)
No.

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives?
Not really - I've got a toddler & other hobbies, don't really have a lot of time to spend on sharpening knives as a hobby.
I live in the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area of North Carolina, and it looks like there are at least two local businesses that specialize in sharpening japanese knives. So I'm planning on using their services 1-2x/year, along with maybe stropping on my own if necessary.


Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)
No
With that budget. i would consider westerns customs. i would highly reccomend the migoto 240 from carbon co for a japanese option
 
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Nothing to do with Damascus what are you saying...is something lost in translation? If you start with 1mm thick core steel in forging and it's clad with 2mm of iron or stainless on each side, or Damascus it literally makes no difference. Same with a "coreless" setup

My Damascus Takada is one of my thinnest behind the edge knives, I think you are confused in regards to Damascus. It's just a cladding like any other. It can be as thick or as thin as the blacksmith/sharpener want it to be... My 2 Damascus knives are the thinnest I have, a myojin and a Takada.
It's quite obvious you don't feel the need of performing any thinning, Damascus or not. So it makes little sense to discuss the effects of thinning on a Damascus blade, with all the extra work being involved.
Screenshot_20241209_105209_DuckDuckGo.jpg

By the way, what were you suggesting about things being "lost in translation"??
 
It's quite obvious you don't feel the need of performing any thinning, Damascus or not. So it makes little sense to discuss the effects of thinning on a Damascus blade, with all the extra work being involved.
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By the way, what were you suggesting about things being "lost in translation"??

"Generally, Damascus knives are thicker than others."

This is just a false claim, as I said, you can make a damascus knife as thick or as thin as you want. I thought that fact is kind of obvious so I'm wondering if there was something lost in translation.

"It's quite obvious you don't feel the need of performing any thinning, Damascus or not."

Again, lost in translation or something? I said I do not have to do much thinning, which is true. I have thinned a handful of knives though, a few santokus, a denka, a hinoura. And yes, a miyabi damascus. I have owned hundreds of knives, so I really don't consider 10-15 thinnings much.

But again, it's really not a big deal. How far up on the knife are you thinning? If you go right above the cladding line and move it up, it's not like you have to re-etch or anything....maybe if you are doing a full regrind? Regardless for a casual home user, major thinning and re-etching really should be last on the list of concerns.

And finally, he didn't ask you if you were a fan of damascus or not lol. I don't get why people have to come in on recommendation threads and try to give the OP something that he doesn't want, it's just a bad look, just like people on recommendation threads that demand everyone learn to sharpen. He literally said "I am primarily driven by aesthetics". If that's the aesthetic he likes, what is the point in arguing with an opinion? He didn't ask if dama affected performance.

And finally, opinion on damascus looking bad even without maintenance in 6 months is bad, case in point (last one has been used every day for more than 2 years btw):

dama.jpg

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dama2.jpg
 
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Wait this whole thing is a freaking moot point anyway. He isn't going to be doing any sharpening much less thinning himself...any knife shop worth its salt which " specialize in sharpening japanese knives." will just re-etch for him anyway, probably even for free. I think DC doesn't charge for re-etching.
 
OP here, thanks for all the input so far. As I've been reading comments (& looking at other threads) my thinking is evolving. I'm fine with getting a stone to do touch-ups and such, and I'm looking at getting a better wood cutting board.

Regarding the knife, I'm okay with going with a cheaper knife to start off with (jumping in to the shallow end, so to speak), and I'm not necessarily intent on Damascus, as it seems that may complicate things. I *would* like something that's got something nice going on aesthetically, but that could be from finish, hammering, etc.

Maybe VG10 (or something alomg those lines) is a better steel to start off with than SG2. And I'm willing to try a wa handle, since it could be just fine for me (just haven't tried it yet). I do use pinch grip, so it's not like my whole hand is even engaging my current Western handle.

Good for you to be open to learning to sharpen! You can do it and the forum/YouTube can help. The Japanese Knife Imports sharpening videos are excellent. You'll want the double bevel vids.

Ginsan is an excellent stainless steel to learn sharpening and still be perfectly fine with common ceramic stones. VG10 can be good or not as good but can often be a pain to deburr so I wouldn't start out here. SG2 is a little more challenging due to it's properties.

My recommendation is to focus on a cheaper knife and learning sharpening. Once you start getting the hang of sharpening you can get whatever steel you want. Might need some different tools and a learning curve but you'll have the fundamentals. As @Deadboxhero says, Fear No Steel. ;)

After that, embrace carbon steels and with all those things combined, your world of options explodes.
 
I very much like the JCK's CarboNext series of knives. I have several of them and the are all very good. I have the Kagayaki CarboNext series Gyuto 240mm. It has a Western, "Yo" handle which I prefer over the Japanese style. I have both and the Japanese Wa-Handle is OK but I like the control you have with the Western Style. This is a personal preference thing. The CarboNest knives from JCK are not budget busters, The 240mm Gyuto is $143 USD. With a $400 USD budget you can add a Blue Cloud Kiritsuke (Bunka) 140mm Petty knife $90 USD, and finally a Misono Molybdenum steel No.534 80mm paring knife $54 USD. I have all 3 of these and they are very good. Too this you can add a very nice cutting board and come in under the $400 USD budget. The way to think of a kitchen knife is a tool. I am not talking about a collector or connoisseur of beautiful custom made knives. A mechanic friend pointed this out. If you are making a living as a auto mechanic getting Snap-On, or Matco tools makes sense but if you are not than a set of Craftsman, or Wera tools will do the job.
 
Another thing I learned is that not all Japanese whetstones are created equal. You would not think there is much difference but there is. The Shapton Whetstones are fantastic. There is at least one thread here that discusses whetstones both ceramic and natural. I learned so much from this thread. I learned how to sharpen knives from Butcher Uncles, and an Outfitter Grandfather but that was with Norton oil stones.
 
If you can find a Masakage Kumo gyuto, it might tick all the boxes for you. It's got a dramatic damascus pattern, it's VG10 (so it's stainless) and it is a great performer. It's fairly thin, too. (I have the santoku from this line, and it's very nice.)

Currently out of stock at CKTG, but it might be available elsewhere.

https://www.chefknivestogo.com/makugy24.html
 
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