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alma

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Finland
LOCATION
What country are you in?
Finland

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?
Chef's knife primarily. Eventually will need a full trio.

Are you right or left handed?
Right-handed.

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?
Western, but open.

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
16-18 cm, 6-7 in

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
Yes. My carbon steel pan is already unhappy with me.

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?
150-200 €

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?
At home.

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)
Chopping and mincing vegetables + veg protein. Basic vegetarian kitchen tasks.

What knife, if any, are you replacing?
Zwilling Professional S 16 cm

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)
Pinch-grip

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)
Chopping, push cutting, slicing, rarely drawing and walking.

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)
Versatility, balance, aesthetics. I would also like for it to be comfortable.

Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?
6-12 months under normal to spare use.

KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board?
Bamboo and wood.

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)
No.

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives?
Interested, yes. Able to, not necessarily (below average fine motor skills).

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)
Yes

SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS
I need a forgiving knife more than I need a knife that will keep its edge. Prefer smaller as I am a tiny person in a tiny kitchen. Access to specialist knife care is spotty to nonexistent.
 
Hello, since you are looking for something under 180mm and stainless would you be open to a santoku? It's a good knife for vegetable prep and something like this would be right in your price range (https://www.cleancut.eu/butik/knifetype/santoku/santoku2015-04-21-15-14-16-detail). SG2 doesn't require frequent sharpening and is very stain resistant.
I'm definitely open to it and curious about how different they'd be, I'm just nervous about chipping it. I like the sturdiness of my current knife - it feels equipped to take my careless handling - but it is a little handle heavy and stubby. Thanks for the link, I will look around.
 
If your current knife is sturdy enough for you, I would look at the new knife as becoming a partner to it. You could then look at something more performace/thin for items that should not be worrisome (like onions), and keep the Zwilling for stuff that would need something more robust.
 
Shigeki Tanaka mades a VG10 180mm Gyuto with a western handle. This is the closest I could find to finland and within your budget (they also have 12% off with code): https://sharpedgeshop.com/collectio...ducts/tanaka-amatsubu-gyuto-vg-10-180mm-180mm

The 61 HRC will be more forgiving than a higher HRC knife in terms of use and it's stainless. It may, however, need more frequent touching up of the edge.If you're up for it I would highly recommend his ginsan knives (also semi-stainless and great heat treat) but I've only found them with Japanese style handles. Should be fine with a pinch-grip but up to you.

Have you considered a Nakiri for veg tasks? I really love mine and use it more often than my gyutos for everyday tasks. Might fit the need better and there are western handle options out there.

Here's an example from one of my fav makers but only semi-stainless. This is not stainless nor western handle but just meant to give you an idea: https://carbonknifeco.com/collectio...kane-nashiji-skd-nakiri-165mm-chestnut-handle
 
6-12 months under normal to spare use.
Really depends how much you will use the knife but will definitely have to hone it with a finer steel or maybe do a touchup with stones.

Since you want more sturdy and less lasery it limits your options.
A Western handle with a shorter knife, under 20cm will pretty much always be a little more handle heavy.
Masutani is going more lasery direction but not as fragile as Takamura
The cheaper Hokiyama Ginga could be a good option but not sure if they restock it. Not as fussy and lasery but still better than your Zwilling. There is also the one slightly heavier but better fit and finish
A really good option is also a Mac Pro. It's the connection from German to Japanese and sits perfectly in between. Not flimsy, sturdy but better cutting and balanced than most German production knives.
Another good option could be Culilux. Definitely more lasery but not as much as Takamura. Cuts really well and thin enough. Slightly handle heavy with the change from Micarta to G10 handle but not as bad as the Zwilling. Would definitely write them and ask them to put a microbevel on it though for like 5€ more. Factory grind is a bit low angle and can be chippy else.
This Tsunehisa might also be a good option
 
I think a santoku would be the perfect knife for you given you want a small knive or even a bunka. You can do SG2 or ginsan without too much issue. I really like the HADO series or if you want something cheaper, Tojiro is also really excellent or Masutani VG10 is really hard to beat for the price. .
 
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