Next step up from India stone

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  1. Jan 20, 2019 #1

    streak

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    It took forever but I eventually ventured into free hand sharpening using the IB8 Norton India stone.
    After some practice it looks like I am able to get a fairly decent edge.

    This Norton India with mineral oil has served me well and going from the fine 320 grit to the strop has given me decent edges on my low tech steel kitchen and pocket knives. I now want to try my hand at refining the edges a bit more before going to the strop. I do not need anything fancy like diamond or expensive water stones. I was thinking an Arkansas hard stone might do the job and very inexpensively or maybe even a Shapton pro 1000. Does this make sense or would you have any other suggestions?

    Seeing that I am already using oil I would happy with an additional oil stone but would consider a splash and go too.
     
  2. Jan 20, 2019 #2

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    I started with the Norton India as well and I have the whole line of the Arkansas which all are practically brand new because once I went over to wetstones,I never looked back. I am 71 so I have been around the old Arkansas and spit stones for most of my life but when I made the jump from hunting knives to Japanese fine kitchen knives I decided to go all the way and get some good sharpening stones. Your choice of the Shapton Pro line is a good one. I have the Shapton pro 320,1k,2k, and the 5k. Among the splash and go's they are some of the best.
     
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    I belive Arkansas hard is more refined than Shapton pro 1000. If I am not mistaken it will be around 3-5K mark.
    I also started with IB8, I still have it and I use it on below average knives.
    But as Grunt, I much prefer waterstones to Norton India.
     
  4. Jan 21, 2019 #4

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    Thanks to both of you for your comments. Looks like the Shapton Pro (KUROMAKU) is the way to go then. As long as the jump from my fine India to the 1500 is not too much I am thinking of doing that instead of the 1000. Helps too that I can get the 1500 at $36 shipped.
     
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    If you are going from an oil stone to a water stone,make sure you get all the oil off your knife before you jump to the wetstone or you will ruin the wetstone fast.
     
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    Thanks Grunt, will make sure there is no cross contamination.
    Any comment on the grit progression from 320 to 1500 or even 2000?
     
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    You should be fine going from your 320 to the 1500
     
  8. Jan 21, 2019 #8

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    Yes that jump will be fine. I would suggest though getting better than decent edges before moving on to a finer stone. You can't improve on bad technique with finer stones. And that's no offense different people are at different levels but you need to get everything in shape before moving finer. Arkansas stones are fun but quite slow. And they just keep getting slower with use.
     
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    With Arkansas,I found that edge leading strokes work better for me but just the opposite with wetstones of which I mostly use edge trailing.
     
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    Whether edge leading or trailing I think is just preference. Now very soft Waterstones can dig in and gouge with edge leading strokes if you're not steady with angle control. I find trailing more for lightly honing the edge and reburring. For grinding it leaves big burrs
     
  11. Jan 21, 2019 #11

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    Thanks gentlemen. vicv no offense at all. Good stones do not make on a better sharpener! Practice does. That's why I went with the $20 India stone to see if I could hold an angle.
    Getting toothy shaving sharp results so far. I sometimes undo what I have done by going at it too long. I will improve with time.
    I am going to go with the Shapton 2k stone.
     
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    Now you just mentioned one of my favorite stones,the Shapton 2k. That's the best stone of the whole lot,at least,as far as I am concerned. I do know of at least a few more who feel that way.
     
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    Sorry, but best 2K stone is Gesshin soaker
     
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    I read that sentence as meaning the best of the Shap Pro line.
     
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    Oh,but I have one of those too.The OP and I were talking about splash and go Shapton Pro line. For soaker,yes,the Gesshin 2k is nice.Mine is soaking as you are thinking of something to say.;)
     
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    Shapton 2k is on its way. Thanks to all of you.
    What was confusing though is that there are 2 Amazon listings, both by Shapton one at $41 and one at $70!! One seems to be the USA version and the other the Japanese version.
     
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    Kuromaku is the Japanese market line. Pro is outside Japan. I believe.
     
  18. Jan 24, 2019 #18

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    The stone arrived today. Still getting used to it and the technique required to get the most out of it.
    Really nice improvement in cutting refinement compared to the 320 India stone.
    I now just need to make sure that the knife is at optimum sharpness before leaving the India stone and progressing to the Shapton 2k.

    Thanks all for your advice.
     
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