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  1. Apr 4, 2019 #1

    Tanalasta

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    Although I have traditionally used an Edge Pro system, I’m starting to appreciate the love and feedback of using a proper wet stone. It’s also less finicky changing angles to get it right and surprisingly therapeutically relaxing.

    http://www.japanesenaturalstones.com/jns-aoto-matukusuyama/

    The Aoto is my first stone and I believe a synthetic natural probably to be used after a 1000 grit. I don’t have a 1000 grit outside of a Chosera Edge Pro attachment.

    So looking for suggestions what to buy next. Chosera 1000, 8000? JNS 1000/8000 combo? Shapton? (I need the feedback starting out) also impossible to find Shapton in stock in Australia.

    I don’t know if I need a stand or seal the Aoto. So will take guidance here.

    There’s a world of difference between his sharp out of the box the Mazaki white 240mm gyuto and the Shun.

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  2. Apr 4, 2019 #2
    I knew you will come up sooner then later with a questions about water stones :)

    The blue aoto you have there is a synthetic stone with mixed grits and is aimed at finishing kitchen knives. It is indeed meant to be used after a medium grit stone. There are many really good medium grit stones, let me mention a few: Shapton Pro (aka Ha-no-kuromaku) 1000 (very fast, nice feedback) - the Watanabe AI#1000 is exactly the same stone, just on a wooden base, JNS 1000 - very nice feedback but on a slower side, Gesshin 2000 (my personal favourite in medium grit stones, fast, great feedback), Cerax 1000, Chosera 1000 (the the Naniwa Pro is very similar but not the same), nice stone, but tends to crack over time. And of course there are quite a few other 1000 stones worth your consideration. The question also is - do you want strictly splash-and-go stones, or soaking stones?
     
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    Tanalasta

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    Hello!
    Thank you.
    More of a splash and go stone for convenience. Not mandatory. The only thing with Gesshin is their cost of postage to Australia. JNS and K&S are free!

    I don’t mind slow. My Japanese knives are VG-max, blue and white.
     
  4. Apr 4, 2019 #4

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    I use Choaera 1k. Great feedback. Reasonably fast. Mine is sealed (as is my JNS synth blue aoto) and I have had zero cracking issues.

    Many have said that Chosera 800 is also a great stone in this role.

    I have the Wat 1k. Seems more aggressive. Feedback is different- maybe feels coarser? I don't use this one as much as the Chosera. Not sure why. Maybe I'm just used to the Chosera. This stone comes sealed and I have had no issues with cracking. It is quite a bit thinner than the Chosera and feels softer.
     
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    I hear you about the shipping. If the speed is not the main objective, than JNS1000 would definitely be a good choice.
     
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    I ended up getting the JNS 1000/6000 to complement the Aoto Blue.

    I think that'll keep me happy for a while. Now to find the bottle of clear coat for my car. I imagine that'd be a satisfactory sealant? I could try the nano technology paint sealants but not sure if that'll work. I've heard of nail polish also.
     
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    FWIW, the lacquer I use was recommend by Badgertooth. It's Monocel Gold marine lacquer. Available at the Aussie hardware superstore warehouse.
     
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    @Nemo. Thank you very much for that. I found it online on Bunnings and will drop by and see if they sell small cans.
     
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    I went to Bunnings and grabbed a standard size can, thereby justifying further natural stone purchases...;)
     
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    Yeah, right, you wouldn't want to waste all that sealer now, would you?
     
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    Hell no, that would be irresponsible!
     
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    I've used that brand on outdoor Jarrah chairs. It's good.
     
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    I used that very one on this Aizu with good results. Didn't follow instructions as reapplication within 20 min tends to be ok with most marine varnish, and it is a rock after all is said and done.
    4 coats a few months ago and it is going strong.
     
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    Pretty sure I got the idea from @Nemo, lol.
     
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    Do you seal the stone on the 5 non-grinding sides? Is this to prevent cracking? And does it not extend the time the stone needs to dry out considerably?
     
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    Sure did, and crack prevention was the purpose as it is not a super thick stone.
    This stone is not much of a sponge so it still dries quite quickly. I do live in a fairly dry environment so it may be a different story with serious humidity. Can't imagine it being an issue though.
    Don't forget to tape the grinding side, I used blue painters tape.
     
  19. Apr 17, 2019 #19

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    well, if you are looking for 1000#, i think Cerax 1010 could be a good choice cheap and cutting ability is very good. for next stage. Chosera 3000# would be then end of the story for gyuto. if you need smoother cutting , then take #8000 is fine.
     

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