Passing the torch - Hinoura's River Jump and Unryu-mon

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Hi all! For those that have been at this much longer than me, I wonder what it would mean for the news that Mitsumi-san has started making his own version of the River Jump and Unryu series knives. I think I first saw this at the Niigata NY show last week. Do you think his version of Tsukasa-san's highly desired RJ and Unryu will match or surpass (I'm guessing time with tell)? What do you think will happen with the father's masterpieces as he is retiring soon is my guess but his son is making these beautiful and hard to create pieces of art? Thanks for y'alls input!
 
As I write this I have two of Mutsumi's River Jump Petty's from the NY Nigata fair in front of me, and a Tsukasa Flowing Clouds.

I believe that these are going to be superior to the original River Jumps. That's not to say that Tsukasa's knives won't be more desirable. If there's one thing I know about Japanese knife collectors, it's that they care more about how special and rare it is, than how it performs. However if we set aside collectability for a moment, I do think that over time, Mutsumi's will be a superior all around knife.

Of the knives I've owned from Tsukasa, the grinds are horrific. Like worst I've ever seen on any kitchen knife. I checked around to see if mine were uniquely bad and they definitely are not. Everybody I talked to agreed that these knives do not perform well. Very beautiful and special pieces of art, but not a world class performer. I had one buddy say that his was actually phenomenal and one of his best. Then he discovered the previous owner had it thinned. I have chatted with some of the retailers who order directly from Hinoura Hamono and they see the same things. Jon from JKI said that when they order them, they ask for him to make them as thinner and thinner every time because they are just so thick.

Now what I have heard about Mutsumi is that he seems much more interested in creating a really high performing kitchen knife. Looking at the ones in front of me, they are already noticeably thinner. Don't get me wrong, they aren't perfect, a little uneven on the grind, but they are definitely going in a better direction. With him obviously learning from his father, my guess is that all the things we love about the River Jump line will stay the same. And looking at these, other than the grinds, I would have believed that Tsukasa made these. The depth of the etch, colour of the ku and polish are all identical. With all that staying the same, I'm excited for geometry to be approached with a fresh set of youthful eyes. I think these are going to be amazing from what I'm looking at here.

I don't think it will be there right away, my understanding is that he's made and sold about five - six so far. But as he develops as a knifemaker, I think we're going to see really wonderful things from this line of knives.
 
Can anyone share some photos of Mutsumi-san's version of RJ and Unryu?
These are Mutsumi's from the NY show:

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Hey now that I see we are talking here again I should amend something I said in my previous. I have now had the knives a while longer and really inspected them a lot closer. Like one has already been disassembled and rehandled. I am beyond embarrassed to say I was wrong about the polish. Like really wrong. These do not appear to be hand polished, they appear to have a very fine sandblasting to give the look of kasumi. Somebody more in the know than I says they are buffed and sandblasted. This all checks out to me as again Mutsumi seems more intent on making a high performing production knife. When I initially received these I was excited to see the production of river jumps continuing and going up. Now however, my concern is that the heart and soul of the work which we love will be cast aside for efficiency. This is all telephone game from me as you read this at the moment. However from what I have now seen and heard, it all seems to add up. We will likely get a better performing and functioning river jump from Mutsumi, but some of the hand made elements that made them special in the first place might be lost in the process.
 
Can't have t all I guess. I feel like maybe as Mutsumi-san ages, more sentimentality will change his style towards more art than function. I have heard of veteran collectors that early works of Tsukasa-san's were the same, focussing on function and then became more "art" as time went on.
 
Hey now that I see we are talking here again I should amend something I said in my previous. I have now had the knives a while longer and really inspected them a lot closer. Like one has already been disassembled and rehandled. I am beyond embarrassed to say I was wrong about the polish. Like really wrong. These do not appear to be hand polished, they appear to have a very fine sandblasting to give the look of kasumi. Somebody more in the know than I says they are buffed and sandblasted. This all checks out to me as again Mutsumi seems more intent on making a high performing production knife. When I initially received these I was excited to see the production of river jumps continuing and going up. Now however, my concern is that the heart and soul of the work which we love will be cast aside for efficiency. This is all telephone game from me as you read this at the moment. However from what I have now seen and heard, it all seems to add up. We will likely get a better performing and functioning river jump from Mutsumi, but some of the hand made elements that made them special in the first place might be lost in the process.
Even with that price tag?
 
A bit off-topic, but I really like what Mitsumi-san is doing. His 2024 Seki knife show entry (gold kiridashi below) is spectacular. Reminescent but an evolution of Tsukasa-san's 2005 Seki knife show winning entry, the tamahagane unryu-chiku kiridashi kogatana.

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i haven't seen any of Mitsumi's river jumps but I hope he does what made Tsukasa's knives so iconic, by positioning the 'river' to run through the centre of the knife (on the kanji side), with the inverse on the other side which is just as enthralling.

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Amazing pics there. The handle and vibe I'm getting from that knife, it almost reminds of the damascus art pieces Shoichi Hashimoto does.
 
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