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Michi said:
It is interesting to look at the 3-day average of new infections. Check out the graph for Germany here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
There are these spikes in the infection rate that are spaced one week apart. You can see the same thing in a number of other countries, for example Sweden, the US, Belgium, Italy, and others.

My gut feeling is that the spikes are caused by increased social contact on weekends.
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yeah its called "weekend", it basically means people dont work during certain days :)

so whatever happened from friday afternoon to monday morning will not show until tuesday some time.

and its also about 1 week of lag in the system so what you see today tuesday is what happend during the weekend, one week ago.
 
Michi said:
It is interesting to look at the 3-day average of new infections. Check out the graph for Germany here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
There are these spikes in the infection rate that are spaced one week apart. You can see the same thing in a number of other countries, for example Sweden, the US, Belgium, Italy, and others.

My gut feeling is that the spikes are caused by increased social contact on weekends.
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Are churches still open?
 
M1k3 said:
What was it, last Monday and Tuesday, or the week before, they said they had a huge backlog get done and reported. For Los Angeles.
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Yeah, it is more of a data collection/reporting issue rather than disease numbers issue. You can see it by the numbers going up and down with the average of the picks and valleys at about the same level. If it was a true increase in sick due to more people getting infected you would expect to see different graphs.
 
Michi said:
It is interesting to look at the 3-day average of new infections. Check out the graph for Germany here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
There are these spikes in the infection rate that are spaced one week apart. You can see the same thing in a number of other countries, for example Sweden, the US, Belgium, Italy, and others.

My gut feeling is that the spikes are caused by increased social contact on weekends.
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Yes, reporting as well a testing lapses. Best to watch the seven day trends.
 



Edit: video removed by YouTube for "violating their terms of service". Yeah, I bet it does!
 
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chinacats said:
Yes, reporting as well a testing lapses. Best to watch the seven day trends.
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Yes, I think that makes sense. More likely to reflect the variations in number of tests than any real change in the infection rate.
 
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any more exciting?

Apparently the virus dammages peoples kidneys and may cause male sterility.

Although pneumonia is most visible symptom, even people with mild cases show more indicators of non preexisting kidney dammage than found in people with the familiar varieties of seasonal flues.

The authors go so far as to state that in one study the degree of kidney dammage/impairment a patient had accumulated before the viral infection was the best single indicator of likelihood for a fatal outcome- And here I had been worrying about my asthma and preexisting lung dammage.

The male sterility aspect will only really be known down the road but the autopsie findings and changes in hormone levels, lack of sperm & etc. are suggestive of this.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41...htl4YvtDZurbyDuBvTxLXV-1wWcYYMd0cq2_sIaFBBHcA
 
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Bill13 said:
This is a good look.
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One must wonder why the hell we do not autopsy people dying of COVID-19. Why in the hell not obtain all the knowledge possible as how the disease causes death....
 
Bill13 said:
This is a good look. https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1259081832085090305
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Oh man... What a messy scene. I have sympathy for both sides.

I admire people who are principled enough to risk arrest while protesting a cause. Society needs this (in a non-violent way). The laws in N.S.W have gone too far in making certain forms of protest illegal or difficult. Police on the street are there to enforce laws (instituted rightly, or wrong). I would not be surprised if the protester was given ample 'outs' (e.g. to move along). Bringing a child to a protest where you may (or are likely to) be arrested is inviting unnecessary drama and manipulative.

It is unwise to ignore the advice of police. It is a crime to resist arrest in N.S.W (and I am sure many jurisdictions). You don't get to decide if you are under arrest or not. If a police officer has declared you are under arrest, not complying is a terrible strategy. Save your arguments for when the lawyers arrive.



(I am saying all of this within the context of policing in my state. I acknowledge that the degree to which corruption and violence influences police is not uniform across the world. Whilst there is illegal behaviour in N.S.W police and some officers operate outside the law, I'd say it is a benign organisation by global standards.)
 
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Dhoff said:
One must wonder why the hell we do not autopsy people dying of COVID-19. Why in the hell not obtain all the knowledge possible as how the disease causes death....
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Imagine the Body is full on biohazard :upsidedownspin:

IIRC think the protocol is for BSL-3 if the virus isn't contained in test tube or whatever.
 
hey gyze.

some people at work got tested for "coronavirus antibodies"
the test tests for igg and igm antibodies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunoglobulin_Mhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunoglobulin_G
they say this on the site:
  • This test has not been reviewed by FDA
  • Negative results do not rule out SARS-CoV-2 infection. If acute infection is suspected, direct testing for SARS-CoV-2 is necessary.
  • Results from antibody testing should not be used to diagnose or exclude SARS-CoV-2.
  • Positive results may be due to past or present infection with non-SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus strains, such as coronavirus HKU1, NL63, OC43, or 229E.
how convenient....

COVID-19 IgM/IgG Rapid Test – BioMedomics Inc.

lol so its just BS, all this crap. and it could not even theoretically test for "covid19 antibodies" even if they wanted. i need to cash in on this too.
 
Dhoff said:
One must wonder why the hell we do not autopsy people dying of COVID-19. Why in the hell not obtain all the knowledge possible as how the disease causes death....
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We already know precisely how the disease causes death - pulmonary failure caused by viral assault.

Was there another question?
 
podzap said:
pulmonary
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That was kind of arrogant way to phrase it mate. Especially considering there is signs it may be causing clots, damage to kidneys and heart which may be permanant even in patients that have "recovered".
 
Michi said:
Regardless, it seems bloody obvious that Australia has managed to very effectively put the lid on the infections, and Sweden has not.
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But we don't need to argue about it. All we need to do is wait.
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It looks like the Swedish approach isn't working out so well, after all:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/c...19-policy-model-for-right-also-a-deadly-folly
One interesting thing I have noticed among the "open up and revive the economy" proponents is that they are using a straw man argument: "if we didn't force everyone to isolate, things would be just fine, except maybe a few extra deaths."

This is wrong on three counts:
  • There aren't a few extra deaths, but a lot of them.
  • The idea the economy would be ticking along just as usual if only we had no lock-down restrictions is completely naïve.
  • The economic cost of all the dead people exceeds the economic damage caused by lock-down by a lot.
Does anyone really believe that, if we just "let her rip", people will continue to do what they normally do? Go to work every day, ignoring the fact that people are dropping like flies around them?

In reality, people will self-isolate—no matter what their government tells them to do—once things get bad enough. Impose no lock-down and, before very long at all, 20% or 30% (or more) of the population will have contracted the disease and missed two to four weeks at work. In turn, people get more careful, avoid contact with others, go out less, etc. Which means that all the same businesses go bust that go bust with a lock-down, such as restaurants, taxi services, airlines, etc.

Whether the government implements a lock-down or not, the result of the pandemic is a trashed economy, regardless. Except, with a lock-down, there are a lot fewer dead people.

https://theconversation.com/economi...w-economic-society-conversation-survey-138721https://micky.com.au/the-calculus-of-death-shows-the-covid-lock-down-is-clearly-worth-the-cost/
 
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podzap said:
We already know precisely how the disease causes death - pulmonary failure caused by viral assault.

Was there another question?
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Not so much viral assault ->current understanding is that acute respiratory distress syndrome as a result of cytokine storm +/- multi organ damage.
 
labor of love said:
Has the topic of supplementation come up yet? What are some options for over the counter supplements that can help against corona?
Yes yes I’m aware about immune system boosting foods and other dietary measures that can be taken. Diet is not the question I’m asking about.
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Hey @labor of love, I know this is a long time in the past now. I listened to a Joe Rogan* podcast with Dr Rhonda Patrick on the weekend:



If you like podcasts and have the time, you may enjoy it. I hesitate to recommend it because I think she is speaking outside of her direct field of expertise. I also think there is a bunch of psuedo-science and preliminary research being discussed. Eitherway... she is eloquent and says some interesting things about Vitamin D. I thought you might be interested.

With social distancing I am spending a $hit-load of time indoors. It made me consider the possible merits of Vitamin D supplements.



* Sorry couldn't help with the additional commentary... he can be 'ok' when he speaks to experts
 
Michi said:
It looks like the Swedish approach isn't working out so well, after all:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/c...19-policy-model-for-right-also-a-deadly-folly
One interesting thing I have noticed among the "open up and revive the economy" proponents is that they are using a straw man argument: "if we didn't force everyone to isolate, things would be just fine, except maybe a few extra deaths."

This is wrong on three counts:
  • There aren't a few extra deaths, but a lot of them.
  • The idea the economy would be ticking along just as usual if only we had no lock-down restrictions is completely naïve.
  • The economic cost of all the dead people exceeds the economic damage caused by lock-down by a lot.
Does anyone really believe that, if we just "let her rip", people will continue to do what they normally do? Go to work every day, ignoring the fact that people are dropping like flies around them?

In reality, people will self-isolate—no matter what their government tells them to do—once things get bad enough. Impose no lock-down and, before very long at all, 20% or 30% (or more) of the population will have contracted the disease and missed two to four weeks at work. In turn, people get more careful, avoid contact with others, go out less, etc. Which means that all the same businesses go bust that go bust with a lock-down, such as restaurants, taxi services, airlines, etc.

Whether the government implements a lock-down or not, the result of the pandemic is a trashed economy, regardless. Except, with a lock-down, there are a lot fewer dead people.

https://theconversation.com/economi...w-economic-society-conversation-survey-138721https://micky.com.au/the-calculus-of-death-shows-the-covid-lock-down-is-clearly-worth-the-cost/
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🤣

We definitely sit next to each-other in the same media bubble. I read both the G and Conversation articles before you posted... ☺
 
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