Question about TF Maboroshi

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  1. Dec 11, 2019 #361

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    Also, yes I agree w heiji steels and TF maboroshi steel description. Overall I’m not sure I find any of them more or less enjoyable to use.
    I guess a denka petty would be a cheap way to test the steel
     
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    I think you need to try a gyuto to get the full Denka experience. I just love the way the steel interacts with produce and the board. My Kato WH gives me the same visceral feedback. They both make me smile when I use them.
     
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    Not yet but would love to try one. Just can't decide which steel, sanmai or monosteel.
     
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    I highly recommend his mono 52100. But now it seems he’s doing new stuff w w2, maybe wh2 and blue2.
    But 52100 is his bread and butter.
     
  6. Dec 11, 2019 #366

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    Another flawed TF...
     
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    I picked up a thinned 240mm maboroshi from knifebag on ig. Got a pretty sweet deal on it and am happy I get to try out this knife. I also have a 200mm wa handle and it’s so thick but I’m not confident in thinning it yet myself. Anyways I know I’ve read about it a million times but I was surprised at how bad the f&f actually is on the handle.

    Has anyone replaced the handle on theirs? Any suggestions? Just live with it?
     
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    A quick question before i pull the trigger on the denka. Is it better with WA or YO handle? haven’t tried a YO handle before, so im a bit curious.

    thanks
     
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    Yo handle is a winner for me. Better balance with the knife. You do gamble a bit with f&f issues though but for me the grind and balance are far more important in a good knife.
     
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    Wa for sure. Fit and finish on TF western handles is atrocious.
    I had a maboroshi where the bolster was crooked and the tang was crooked and dented--all of which was just filled in with gobs of black epoxy. The blade was great! The handle was junk.
     
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    Get a red handle Yo Denka. MUCH better F&F.

    The Morihei Hisamoto Yo handle is actually a step up over the regular Mab/Denka version. No sharp edges and chunkier in hand. Shame they can't spend a few mins extra just to finesse things.
     
  12. Dec 15, 2019 #372

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    Do Denka Yo handles have a better quality control than maboroshi? maboroshi yo handles are notoriously awful.
     
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    No.....unless they're red
     
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    i will keep that in mind, hoping to receive some photos tomorrow. finger cross.

    Wow. Didn’t expect to hear this. i have heard a lot regarding “not perfect” f&f on the handle but this is new level.
    I will see the photos tomorrow and make my decision by then.
     
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    any idea on how to get these one? Is there any way to request or i need to buy in person?
     
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    Even my wa handle was crooked and had uncentered install. Screw it.
    TFTFTFTFTF
     
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    Owners I know picked these up in person at the shop in Tokyo
     
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    Its not uncommon to see this even for higher priced Japanese knife brands renowned for superior F&F. I've seen it myself.
     
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    I’m not really complaining.
     
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    One thing to keep in mind...
    Straightening a wa handle or replacing it (with a custom later if that's your thing) is easy enough.
    Very little can be done to address problems with a Western handle. Some of these problems won't show up in photos (like crooked bolsters or rough edges, high rivets, etc.)
     
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    Well I guess that answers my question about whether or not it’s possible to regardless the western handle.

    For me the yo makes more sense. The little notch makes sense. It just feels more balanced and purposeful.
     
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    Sure, you could send it out to be repaired. But that’s not ideal, won’t be cheap, and there is no guarantee it can be done in the first place.
    Plus, you can’t put metal back on where it’s not (if the tang is dented or the bolster is crooked or differently sized on each side). The point is that it is much easier and cheaper to deal with an issue with a wa handle than a western.
     
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    Repair?....hardly. Sure, not as easy or as cheap as a Wa rehandle but not crazy and when you find a great example well worth the investment IMO. Ultimately TF's are all about the grind and HT.

    Here's another beautiful example
    P1010004.JPG
     
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    I dont think OP is in the market for a custom re-handle of a brand new knife. At least he didn’t say so in the post.
    I’m speaking from experience with just how bad TF western handles can be.
    Dave re-handled one for me years ago, and he had to convert it to hidden tang.
     
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    TF1.jpg
    Here is my Ebony handle Denka. I consider this to be 95% perfect. Yes, a couple of edges around the bolster but they don't bother me enough to break out the emory paper. Choil is nicely eased. No gobs of filler and pins are flush. To suggest Yo handle TF's are likely to be basket cases is incorrect and misleading to potential buyers. If the knife is purchased direct they are happy to ease the spine, bolster and choil at no cost. Just ask.
    TF3.jpg TF2.jpg
     
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    This thread might be helpful:
    Dave saw fit to start a thread using my TF as an example of a re-handling headache :sick:
    https://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/...a-knife.27844/?p=424689&viewfull=1#post424689

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    And the end result...
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    LMAO how this thread turned from a TF problem knife thread into TF chearleading thread

    As a side note, you can sandpaper yo handles with 400 grit and fix alot of that minor stuff....rough edges and whatever ar no match for 3m wet/dry autobody sandpapers...its just wood and metal after all no big deal...

    IMHO real issue is these tf denka is like $800+ knife and for that money people want ego polish not just good HT
    ...of course people will still pay $2k for kato KU so its all relative :D

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