Hi there,
Thought that may be interesting to chat a little here about the random draw I use to select people for customs and for available knives. Not my invention. And seems like more and more makers are working this way. This discussion can help me to set things more properly maybe and can help other makers to set a similar system if they want to. It can also give a bit of information for people who discover a maker and learn he is working with a random draw.
I read this recently on kkf:
First custom orders : The random draw system I have set got a point system : I make a draw every 4 months and every 4 months everybody got 1 more points. People who subscribed 2 years ago got 6 points, people who just subscribed got 1 point. People who were picked last draw got 0 points and will wait next draw to have 1 point.
I did not make the program, a friend of mine did, here is what it says : 6 points : 6% of chance to get picked, 5 points : 5% of chance, 4 points : 4% of chance, etc...
Sure, if like 200 people subscribe to the list once, so 200 with 1 point, and the list is now 300 people, there will be a lot of new people in the draw and even if people with 6 points have more chance to get picked, they won't have a huge advantage. But looks like the list is now more and more stable (85 new people for the last draw, the list is now 450 people) and the last draw was pretty good for the "senior" : 6 people picked : 1 with 6 points, 1 with 5 points, 2 with 4 points, 1 with 3 points, 1 with 2 points.
This system is not here to give advantage to people waiting for a long time. My idea is to give a chance to anyone, people who know my work for a long time and people who discovered my work 3 months ago to be able to have a custom knife with me. On that topic, is it the most fair, maybe not. But again, my knives, my rules and in the end it’s me to set the fairness where I want it to be.
I don't want to be fist come, first serve nor first people who know me first. So I thought about the random draw system. But I thought it could be nice though to give a little more chance to people who subscribe for a long time ; this was not give them much more chance (if not I would just choose within people who got 6 points), but to make a balance. It may feel rude to people who want a custom from me for a long time (which is relative, I am existing on social media since about covid, march 2020, so 4 years), but I make my knives the way I like and surprisingly I try to sell them the way I like too. I choose to unite all people interested by my work, without prioritize the people who know me for longer time.
Second the available knives, sale through random draw :
Again, I have chosen not to work with first come, first serve but to make a draw of all people interested by the knife I got for sell. People got 24 hours to subscribe, so whatever their location they have time to think about that purchase and participate or not. For those sales, I am working with a different list of people and no point system. All people on the list are aware when a knife is available and only the people interested, who will subscribe to a form on my website, will actually participate to the draw.
Of course it is not perfect and my system can’t really detect people who use mutiple mails or ask all their family and friends to participate to have more chance. I do delete any double entry and any entry that is out of my newsletter, but apart from that, sure people can cheat a little. My position is that for any rule, there will be always people who will think about the limits and will try to “cheat” and find a way to have more chance than others. I don’t agree with that behaviour and I try share with all my customers a spirit of fairness where everybody got same chance and ask people to behave with my rules. But I am not there to control everything too and I try to set a fair game, then if people don’t want to respect me and the game I have set, I can’t really do anything for them.
If you have an idea to secure the draw avoiding double entry, without being too intrusive (I don’t want to check all id cards of my customers !), you’re welcome.
What are you though about all that ?
Do you have ideas to improve that system ?
Have a nice day,
Thought that may be interesting to chat a little here about the random draw I use to select people for customs and for available knives. Not my invention. And seems like more and more makers are working this way. This discussion can help me to set things more properly maybe and can help other makers to set a similar system if they want to. It can also give a bit of information for people who discover a maker and learn he is working with a random draw.
I read this recently on kkf:
First custom orders : The random draw system I have set got a point system : I make a draw every 4 months and every 4 months everybody got 1 more points. People who subscribed 2 years ago got 6 points, people who just subscribed got 1 point. People who were picked last draw got 0 points and will wait next draw to have 1 point.
I did not make the program, a friend of mine did, here is what it says : 6 points : 6% of chance to get picked, 5 points : 5% of chance, 4 points : 4% of chance, etc...
Sure, if like 200 people subscribe to the list once, so 200 with 1 point, and the list is now 300 people, there will be a lot of new people in the draw and even if people with 6 points have more chance to get picked, they won't have a huge advantage. But looks like the list is now more and more stable (85 new people for the last draw, the list is now 450 people) and the last draw was pretty good for the "senior" : 6 people picked : 1 with 6 points, 1 with 5 points, 2 with 4 points, 1 with 3 points, 1 with 2 points.
This system is not here to give advantage to people waiting for a long time. My idea is to give a chance to anyone, people who know my work for a long time and people who discovered my work 3 months ago to be able to have a custom knife with me. On that topic, is it the most fair, maybe not. But again, my knives, my rules and in the end it’s me to set the fairness where I want it to be.
I don't want to be fist come, first serve nor first people who know me first. So I thought about the random draw system. But I thought it could be nice though to give a little more chance to people who subscribe for a long time ; this was not give them much more chance (if not I would just choose within people who got 6 points), but to make a balance. It may feel rude to people who want a custom from me for a long time (which is relative, I am existing on social media since about covid, march 2020, so 4 years), but I make my knives the way I like and surprisingly I try to sell them the way I like too. I choose to unite all people interested by my work, without prioritize the people who know me for longer time.
Second the available knives, sale through random draw :
Again, I have chosen not to work with first come, first serve but to make a draw of all people interested by the knife I got for sell. People got 24 hours to subscribe, so whatever their location they have time to think about that purchase and participate or not. For those sales, I am working with a different list of people and no point system. All people on the list are aware when a knife is available and only the people interested, who will subscribe to a form on my website, will actually participate to the draw.
Of course it is not perfect and my system can’t really detect people who use mutiple mails or ask all their family and friends to participate to have more chance. I do delete any double entry and any entry that is out of my newsletter, but apart from that, sure people can cheat a little. My position is that for any rule, there will be always people who will think about the limits and will try to “cheat” and find a way to have more chance than others. I don’t agree with that behaviour and I try share with all my customers a spirit of fairness where everybody got same chance and ask people to behave with my rules. But I am not there to control everything too and I try to set a fair game, then if people don’t want to respect me and the game I have set, I can’t really do anything for them.
If you have an idea to secure the draw avoiding double entry, without being too intrusive (I don’t want to check all id cards of my customers !), you’re welcome.
What are you though about all that ?
Do you have ideas to improve that system ?
Have a nice day,
. Keep up the strong work sir.
