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I’ve posted before about being a FOH manager but I’m being moved to BOH and I’ll be on the line most days since we’re insanely short staffed.

Here’s the questionnaire -

LOCATION
What country are you in? USA


KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?
- Gyuto

Are you right or left handed?
- right

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?

Prefer Wa but not opposed to a western

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
Tough. I’m most comfortable with a 225-230mm but I want to like 250s, I just don’t have the space at home but at work I feel I would.

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)

Prefer stainless or clad, I don’t trust the guys I work with to dry it after they use it without permission

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?

$250-300? I have more expensive stuff but again, I don’t want to worry TOO much about damage.

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?

Professional

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)

All of the above besides breaking down whole chickens/fish

What knife, if any, are you replacing?

Not really replacing but my favorite knives at home are a Newham Spicy White honyaki, a Nakagawa x Myojin B1 gyuto, and my Birch & Bevel 230mm (spare version).

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)
Pinch

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)
Push & pull cuts, chop, rock sometimes

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)

Low maintenance but I don’t need something from the grocery store that is “dishwasher safe” level of low.

Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?

Longer preferred but I can sharpen somewhat well

KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board?
At work so plastic? Whatever the typical colored cutting board material is

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)
Cheaper ones yeah. Nicer ones I’ll probably have someone else do eventually.

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives? N/A

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)
No

SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS

The only full stainless gyuto I have is a 210 Takamura r2 but I find it too short and prefer a slightly beefier grind. The 230 B&B is probably the closest to what I’d like in terms of grind.


Also looking for a decent, cheaper knife roll or bag so if you have a suggestion or an extra laying around let me know! Planning to use cardboard sayas for everything 😂
Maybe a pair of kitchen scissors that won’t break the bank?

Thanks in advance!
 
Tanaka Nashiji Ginsan.

Akifusa and Kagero are a little more exxie but worth a look.

Sukenari SG2.

Shiro Kamo Syousin Suminagashi is a taller blade. A little thicker but with good food release.

The ginsan has decent edge retention the other knives I suggested are SRS15 or SG2/R2 and have pretty good edge retention.
 
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I am not a pro so please keep that in mind but this sprang to mind:

https://www.epicedge.com/shopexd.asp?id=97275&bc=no
They make full PM stainless knives too but they are much more expensive. If you put in the comments that you're a KKF member and your screen name, I think they still give a 5% discount when they process your order.

This will be in the laser spectrum so the only thing I'm not sure of is how the spine will feel after a few hours? I would think thinner spines can get uncomfortable over time but not sure how much it will be in your hand.

Personally, I'd rather see you get a lower priced one to start and get a couple stones and let us help you there. :)
 
I am not a pro so please keep that in mind but this sprang to mind:

https://www.epicedge.com/shopexd.asp?id=97275&bc=no
They make full PM stainless knives too but they are much more expensive. If you put in the comments that you're a KKF member and your screen name, I think they still give a 5% discount when they process your order.

This will be in the laser spectrum so the only thing I'm not sure of is how the spine will feel after a few hours? I would think thinner spines can get uncomfortable over time but not sure how much it will be in your hand.

Personally, I'd rather see you get a lower priced one to start and get a couple stones and let us help you there. :)
CleanCut has some cheaper Akifusa PMs, but only Kiritsuke is left. Those, Gesshin Kagero and the Yoshihiro SRS13 should be pretty similar
https://www.cleancut.eu/butik/knifebrands/akifusa_2_lines/akifusa-oriental-pm
 
CleanCut has some cheaper Akifusa PMs, but only Kiritsuke is left. Those, Gesshin Kagero and the Yoshihiro SRS13 should be pretty similar
https://www.cleancut.eu/butik/knifebrands/akifusa_2_lines/akifusa-oriental-pm

Tsunehisa SRS13 will be good too. Same factory as Akifusa (and other names). Probably a touch less fit and finish and maybe a smidge thicker but good knives all the same.

Actually, a Tsunehisa and an Ultra Sharp diamond combo stone would be a pretty good initial setup/affordable path. Again, if the spine is cool.
 
Looked at it and want it. Shipping is making me second guess though lol. Need to spend like $40 more to cover shipping so might just get it w/ a stone too
15% off right now almost makes up for the shipping, but JNS has great stones too.

Those kaeru, and most Wakui made knives, are great bang for buck. Great deal no matter how you slice it.
 
https://www.japanesenaturalstones.com/kaeru-kasumi-stainless-gyuto-240mm/
Or

https://www.japaneseknifeimports.co...-items/products/gesshin-kagero-240mm-wa-gyuto
This was JKI’s recommendation when I asked about the En line stating better edge retention & edge potential

Kinda narrowed to these 2. Thoughts?
Both are a good knives. Based on what I read, your cutting style, I feel that Kaeru would be a better suit to your needs. Now remember, there may be an off chance that someone will be using your knife, it's a safe bet that Kaeru can survive rough task by the members even if you said no touching your knife 😅. I also trust Jon's recommendation. Kaeru has a good 55mm heel height, Kagero is around 48mm heel height. You can't go wrong with either. Since you're in CA, getting Kagero is quicker. But if you want Kaeru, you'd have to wait till Makism come back from his break.

Where in CA are you? If you live close by JKI (info in link), I'd go there and check it out in person. It would be worth a couple hours of your travel to talk to him. If you don't like it in person, there are many knives you can check in there. Otherwise get Kaeru if you don't like any offerings at JKI.
 
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Both are a good knives. Based on what I read, your cutting style, I feel that Kaeru would be a better suit to your needs. Now remember, there may be an off chance that someone will be using your knife, it's a safe bet that Kaeru can survive rough task by the members even if you said no touching your knife 😅. I also trust Jon's recommendation. Kaeru has a good 55mm heel height, Kagero is around 48mm heel height. You can't go wrong with either. Since you're in CA, getting Kagero is quicker. But if you want Kaeru, you'd have to wait till Makism come back from his break.

Where in CA are you? If you live close by JKI (info in link), I'd go there and check it out in person. It would be worth a couple hours of your travel to talk to him. If you don't like it in person, there are many knives you can check in there. Otherwise get Kaeru if you don't like any offerings at JKI.
Mostly push cuts, minimal rocking and chopping. I’m fairly light handed and care about accuracy over speed so I don’t typically slam the knife down lol
 
Mostly push cuts, minimal rocking and chopping. I’m fairly light handed and care about accuracy over speed so I don’t typically slam the knife down lol
Both are good knives. I don't think you'd go wrong with any. And as mentioned above.

Edit: the first time I answered has video of Kaeru, if it clicks with you, go with that, but if you want to try Kagero, go with that one as well. OR buy both 😅
 
I have bought 5 kaeru ss in total if that means anything.
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Convinced.

The 15% off made a big difference. 2 knives for under $300, not too upset with it at all.

Thanks for all the input!
 
I’m late to this thread but Kaeru was a very good choice for your situation. They’re technically semi stainless but in use you’d have to try pretty hard to get much reactivity forming. My old 240mm was often loaned out to coworkers and was never returned with any damage.
 
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