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Where does the Moog synthesizer factor into your testing?!
its gets worse though. this my actual "synth".
what can i say. i like analog stuff. the dirtiest and most bad ass sounding stuff.
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Where does the Moog synthesizer factor into your testing?!
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its gets worse though. this my actual "synth".
what can i say. i like analog stuff. the dirtiest and most bad ass sounding stuff.
if anyone wants to send me a free denka i'm willing to do the "beer can dura marathon test" with it. just so you know.
Which knives are those?I’m also available for TF beer can dura marathon testing.
I am not writing criticism off. If you used the knife and didn't like it or feel that it is not worth the price it is perfectly fair. Even if you haven't used it and decide that it is too much for what it is fair as well. If you haven't and chime into every TF thread to say that you don't understand why anyone would pay this much for a crappy knife, then I have a problem with it. Again not addressed to you specifically just an observation about TF discussions.
Which knives are those?
Which knives are those?
As for TF deba's, I'd be interested in understanding just why one would buy a TF Denka deba over, say, an Ichimonji Kirameki (at nearly half the price). Or a Masamoto white honyaki at a comparable price, for that matter.
why would anyone buy a tf knife over anything else? its one of those eternal questions that there is no answer for.
Why? Easy. Great knives, for those who love them. Certainly one of the more distinctive knives on the market, great cutter. TBH, many of the Sakai gyutos look alike to me.
It's silly to expect everyone to have the same taste. My vegan and jain friends ask—why would anyone want to eat meat?
TF one of the few makers that elicits passions for or against. Since an ever popular discussion topic, TF's denkas are a knife that any every serious J-knife enthusiast should at least try.
It's like food, gotta try tripe, uni or natto to decide if you like or dislike them.
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This is true of any expensive purchase. People always defend their choices more so the higher the price goes. You have to agree that there is generally no malicious intent in TF fans and that owners mostly don't lie to the forum to keep their resale value high. If you don't believe this then any discussion is pointless.what percentage of that comes down to the price, especially the price for a 240 gyuto (presumably the most popular offering around these parts)?
the big issue I have isnt about whether it's a good knife or not, anyone with a brain can tell they have some serious merits. it's whether I trust that people are being even a tiny bit objective about something they spent so much money on, because in my experience the answer is usually no.
I dont expect full objectivity, that would be both a stupid expectation from the perspective of people arent objective in general but also because subjective reasons are perfectly valid, too.
Get a Morihei Hisamoto 240. SS or iron clad, fine finish or not? The prices. even after a recent increase, are still significantly below the equivalent Mab. Personally I don't want a 240 so am happy to pick up cheaper smaller blade direct and the current 210's are oversized. There is no justification for the massive jump for what is only ~20mm of extra edge length.what percentage of that comes down to the price, especially the price for a 240 gyuto (presumably the most popular offering around these parts)?
the big issue I have isnt about whether it's a good knife or not, anyone with a brain can tell they have some serious merits. it's whether I trust that people are being even a tiny bit objective about something they spent so much money on, because in my experience the answer is usually no.
I dont expect full objectivity, that would be both a stupid expectation from the perspective of people arent objective in general but also because subjective reasons are perfectly valid, too.
the conversation around TF knives sometimes evokes the memories I have of 70s Fender guitars. everyone knows what the deal is, but now that the prices of those are so high, the owners are out there effectively lobbying others to agree with the valuation of the guitars for reasons of ego, collectability, etc. I dont like that and I dont like the implications of a person coming on a forum mostly about Japanese knives and telling people to google wabi sabi.
and that's why any criticism you'll ever see of TF, Kato, etc. from me will include the disclosure of what I own AND the things I like to try and at least present my complaints in the context of my overall feelings.
I tried one vintage Denka 240 and that was a wedge monster. A previous owner had screwed it up and the result was a disaster. So yes, there are turds out there but not when purchased direct from TF these days. Its been said before and I'll say it again, the issues with grinds (my biggest concern) etc have been addressed to the point where TF is no better or worse than other makers. All the crappy TF's I've handled were from third party vendors or used.my custom denka cuts like turd, i have sent it to another maker for a regrind
why would I spend this much on a knife I don't like the grind on? cause the profile and steel are elite
TF IV is not involved in making standard TF knives anymore. The factory is far from him outside Tokyo and is manned by 5 guys including his son, so continuing the family tradition. "Untrained underlings" LOL. One of the guys is over 75 years old. Another 2-3 are master craftsmen with a similar combined experience as bladesmiths.So it’s slightly grating and ego-deflating to find out that someone who makes some of the most potentially excellent all-round blades just doesn’t seem to fit that pattern - despite years and years of the same consistent moaning from every quarter, doesn‘t really seem to have bothered to have improved his offering in the slightest. I wouldn‘t be altogether surprised if he skips out of his workshop early every Friday, leaving his marginally untrained underlings in charge, while he flip-flops over to the local bar for a rousing rendition of ’I don‘t do Kaizen and I don‘t care’
This is true of any expensive purchase. People always defend their choices more so the higher the price goes. You have to agree that there is generally no malicious intent in TF fans and that owners mostly don't lie to the forum to keep their resale value high. If you don't believe this then any discussion is pointless.
So if we agree that there is no malice and just normal human bias then we can also agree that there is something about these knives to keep them in business and priced high for many years now. Same can be said about any popular expensive knives, I might not understand Shig, Kato, Mazaki damascus, Jiro, etc prices, but I will also not actively discourage people from buying these knives. TF just seems to draw more hate and fan love than other brands.
mine was a custom.ordered direct.I tried one vintage Denka 240 and that was a wedge monster. A previous owner had screwed it up and the result was a disaster. So yes, there are turds out there but not when purchased direct from TF these days. Its been said before and I'll say it again, the issues with grinds (my biggest concern) etc have been addressed to the point where TF is no better or worse than other makers. All the crappy TF's I've handled were from third party vendors or used.
Don't know what to tell you. All 6 of the TF's I've ordered direct have been on point.mine was a custom.ordered direct.
TF IV is not involved in making standard TF knives anymore. The factory is far from him outside Tokyo and is manned by 5 guys including his son, so continuing the family tradition. "Untrained underlings" LOL. One of the guys is over 75 years old. Another 2-3 are master craftsmen with a similar combined experience as bladesmiths.
Do people in Japan confirm that this is true? I've never been there, but to me it doesn't seem to fit with what little I've seen of Japanese-made consumer goods for Japan.the Western market has a higher demand for fit and finish,
There's nothing wrong with that, is there? A rustic-type finish on an area that's going to get scratched up anyway? Why not? It's not everyone's preference, but either way is good.Or I like the fact that they look a long way from perfect because I will probably eff up the look at some point, and I won't need to worry because rustic.
From my albiet limited experience in Japanese home kitchens, yes. It is a similar case with a lot of their woodworking tools, which is a much older consumer market for blacksmithed goods.Do people in Japan confirm that this is true? I've never been there, but to me it doesn't seem to fit with what little I've seen of Japanese-made consumer goods for Japan.
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