There's a new king of flattening plates in town.

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  1. Dec 29, 2018 #1

    PalmRoyale

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    I've been using this plate (made specifically to flatten stones) a while now at work and now that I have a good amount of experience with it, it's time to introduce it to the rest of you. It says Ken-syou on the label but I suspect it's made by Atoma because the diamonds are arranged in the same cluster pattern (and the blue sticker is the same one Atoma uses). For this plate though Atoma has gone a step further and they've made a diamond pattern as well. Because of the grooves this plate is even faster with less suction. If you're in the market for a new dedicated flattening plate, forget about the regular Atoma and get this one. Here's where I bought it: http://noborihamono.com/ He speaks a bit of English but you have to keep it simple and to the point. He will also ship internationally.

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    That's very interesting.
    The page says something which the computer translates to "Because it is diamond exclusive for grinding surface polishing, it can not be used for polishing of cutlery."
    I wonder if this means that it's just bad for sharpening and gives poor results; or if sharpening on it is somehow bad for the plate, and wears it faster.
    I'm guessing the former.
     
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    I'vr tried to sharpen a chisel on it and it went quite poorly. This plate is really only meant to flatten stones. Btw, I only bought the plate and made a base myself from Corian. Nobori Hamono als sells a cheap aluminium base.
     
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    Stu sells the Atoma base-plates pretty cheap also at TFJ if memory is correct (<$20).
    How do you rate the corian DIY base-plate vs the Atoma ALU?
     
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    Nobori Hamono has the Atoma base plate for 1750 yen which comes down to $15. If you want the plate and base plate you can just as well buy them both from him.

    I prefer my Corian base plate. Corian is very stable so once you've flattened it and put the diamond plate on it, it stays flat.
     
  6. Dec 29, 2018 #6

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    "grinding surface polishing" means I think stone flattening only.

    On metal you probably don't want (huge/XL) gaps in the abrasive,
    because the metal edge will have similar gaps in polish/grind,
    which sounds like a hassle.

    This looks like an interesting option, if
    the diamonds are well bonded/high quality,
    which atoma seems to be known for.
     
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    Cheers, thanks for the tip... I need to look into making a corian base
     
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    What might be the cost for this flattening plate shipped to USA?

    I do have an Atoma with the slight diamond pattern, the suction is not a huge bother to me usually- But willing to knife nerd out on a new thing.
     
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    Do you seriously expect someone else to contact Nobori Hamono to ask on your behalf?
     
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    No. Not expecting someone else to contact the seller on my behalf. Asking how much the item cost THEM.

    Please pardon my assumption that the transaction of OP for this item might resemble one I might carry out.

    I rather expect that the person who just negotiated purchase of this item knows how much it costs. And I have a sense that while the membership here is diverse, international and cosmopolitan, a majority of members are USA residents. Hence, their costs + shipping might be similar to what I might pay.

    My humble appologies if my phrasing of this question offended you, and appologies to the OP if I have otherwise transgressed.

    All that asside, how much does one of these cost. Enquiring minds want to know.
     
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    Appologies for the double post as well.
     
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    Interesting, thanks

    EDIT: Did you get the #400 or #600 version? How is the speed compared to more commonly used 140 Atoma? Thanks
     
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    I got the 400 grit plate but I don't know how it compares to the regular Atoma 140 because I've never used it. I can say though it's faster than the regular Atoma 400. Because you have many small pressure points it cuts much faster and the channels allow material from to stone to easily flow away.
     
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    I can't get the site to translate....
     
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    According to Google, the 5,900 Japanese yen for product + shipping paid for this flattening plate is approximately equal to $54.00 US. I can handle that- My niece was employed as an English/Japanese translator for a tourist bureau in Japan before the tsunami and meltdowns made her position superfluous, I will let HER handle the transaction!

    In 2017, I went to Omagari for a conference. On the way in and out (at Kyoto and Tokyo), I visited the equivalent of USA "home improvement" stores. And in Kyoto, a specialty knife, cutlery & scisors store.

    I regret not spending more time and money in various Japanese tool and knife stores I saw while there, the several items I did bring home have all been outstanding values.
     
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    Also, there seems to be some discussion on the site
    about ways to improve atoma performance,
    as if there are end users making bespoke tweaks..

    for example, the customize the sticky tape (use more),
    and grind the plate on a 1k or something to flatten
    the Atoma baseplate (and maybe roughen it slightly).

    ...interesting to see end users finding tweaks here and there
     
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    I tested an Atoma plate myself for flatness and there's no need to tweak it. I stuck a piece of 2000 grit wet and dry to the bed of my jointer, which is a dead flat surface, and the scratches showed me the plate was pretty much dead flat.
     
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    How did it all go? Did you new 'toys' arrive? Are you having any fun with them?
     
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    Has anyone tried the plate yet?
     
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    Thanks for the heads up on this. I may give this a go if can figure out which is the 400. Have a bunch of expenses though so may have to wait a bit.
     
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    You need to e-mail him for an international shipping. This is his e-mail: noborihamonoten@nifty.com
    He understands a bit of English so you need to keep it simple. Ask for the Kensyou 400 grit diamond plate to flatten stones. His name is Ryota-san.

    If anyone wants the plate but has trouble with all of this I'm willing to act as a middle man. Tell me if you want the 400 or 600, give me your paypal and I'll give to him so he can send you a paypal invoice.
     
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    Kind of you to offer to act as go-between but I am sure to manage. Nice to know his name though.
    Thank you
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    Received my new plates today from Nobori hamono. Ken-Syou #400 & Atoma 140.
    Didn't pay for shipping as a friend brought them back from Japan.
    Bought the aluminium base for the #400, surprised by it's thickness compared to Atoma's one.

    Taking the french leave to tropical area on Sunday , hence won't have much time to use any of these ...When I'm back in April.
     
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    I'm sure you will love the Ken-syou, it's a terrific flattening plate.
     

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