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Discussion in 'Sharpening Station' started by JustinP, May 31, 2019.
Well, I promised myself I at least wouldn't get into Jnats.
I did a shooutout thread not too long ago with 1ks.
To be honest there is really not that much difference in speed between quality 1ks.
I have tried this with HSS cutoff steel, talonite chunk, soft SS, carbon and powder SS. Not that much difference in speed imo. And i'd say speed is what you want at 1k.
With that being said i still found some favorites in the bunch.
the king hyper and naniwa hibiki 1k are soakers. And it will takes them i guess close to 1 week to fully dry out. the hyper creates very good contrast and the hibiki removes all contrast between cladding and edge.
The hibiki seems to wear very slowly and the hyper faster but not in any way fast for the grit imo.
in the non soaking area i think the good old Shapton pro1k is the absolute best. I think its the absolute fastest 1k there is, very slow dishing, true s&g. And its cheap.
The glass is similar fast and even slower wearing, but its only 6-7mm thick. and its usually more expensive. I think the pro will last longer. Maybe not by much but still.
Kunsuto 1k is a cheap 1k and it definitely does the job, don't feel as good as the the rest though, feels very gritty and rough.
Chosera naniwa pro 800. very good stone. feels very nice, probably the best feeling out of all 1ks. releases a bit of grit as opposed to the shaptons. but not excessive for the work it performs.
The way i see it is that you either want the nani pro 800 or the shappro 1k. done. taking speed/feel/economy in to consideration. imo get both!
the 5k is the worst in the series. the 220, 1k and 2k are pretty much gold stones!! make no mistake.
someone said the 2k is a good 1k. and some 2k's are almost as fast as some 1ks. i did a back2back test with the chosera nani pro 1k and the shapton pro2k and while yes the chosera is a bit faster but its very close in speed. but the shappro 2k is still extremely fast. and it gets your steel much much sharper than the 1k chosera ever will. i'd say the chosera 1k is about 40-50% faster than the shapton 2k. but the shapton 2k is at least 100% sharper than the chosera 1k. the 2k shapton pro is the best shapton pro stone they make imo.
He was talking about Gesshin 2k...
Chosera is all about good feeling. If you simply wanna just get your sharpening over with quickly then yeah definitely look elsewhere.
This is why I really like the gesh 1200 it’s a balance of great feedback and cutting ability.
Chosera slurry is pretty particular as well, in my experience.
I know. I was just trying to make a point as to why someone would recommend a 2k as a 1k.
I would say the choseras are almost as all biz no fun as shapton pros. not much difference to be honest there. both are top quality stones.
If for some reason I don’t feel like jumping from 1k to 6k I’ll use a 2k instead.
I’ve never used chosera 1k but I’m surprised to hear you say it cuts as fast as a shapton pro 1k. If that is infact what you’re saying.
The reviews by inferno are really great!
Morihira stones look quire new (sold since last year?). What I could find was a blog post by the maker.
Looking good for kasumi finishes.
I have used both and I don't think the Chosera is as fast as the Shapton pro.
1K go for the Morihei Hi, it will give good contrast and cut fast. if you want something cut faster, go with SP 1K.
The Morihei 6k is my fav though... I like it better than the karasu.
I vote for a Bester 1k or 1200 -- very hard, fast cutting, stays flat a long time, can handle things like A2 well (which is why I bought it, A2 plane blades).
You will be happy with the Shapton though -- in fact, almost all the modern fairly hard stones in the 1k range work well, just a matter of what you prefer. I don't like muddy stones and require minimal wear for sharpening woodworking tools, a little different than knives. Really matters that all the stones in a progression are very flat for plane blades, otherwise you get uneven sharpening on the actual edge. Knives don't have linear edges.....
Medium grit stones are most logical to have several.
Have quite a few mentioned here
I know above your price range but the diamond 1k is my hands down favorite if I could only have one. I think I have 7 or 8 though.
The diamond stone (both of them) are definitely up there on my list but priced a little out of norm for a "which stone?" discussion. Now you've got me counting 1K's. Too many.
I agree with all but your last sentence @daveb!
My mind will not process those two words together in a stone discussion, might need a nap...
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