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I posted additional comments from Chris on the “v“, I.e. potato top grind below for academics & record keeping.

I like the explanations except the comments on Kato grind toward the heel being accidental, at least I haven’t seen any evidence to support such statement. In addition, Japanese master using a Sen to accidentally over shave the heel manually is much less likely to happen as compared to western belt sander method.

In my effort trying to re-create the potato top grind, I had to intentionally grind the heel thinner, even with dedicate effort, I almost lost it during finishing.

It’s known that pull cut is easier than push cut as pull cut moves toward the thinner front after landing. By the same token, by grinding the heel section thinner, it’ll give the same easier cutting feeling when push cut.

In short, the potato top grind might just be the ideal grind for push/pull cutters, ultimate performance comes when you land the blade at the potato top location, leverage the weight & momentum of the knife to break the skin, after that, both push & pull cut will be easier, giving the gliding through food feeling as it’s moving towards thinner on either direction.

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The host is an inexpensive Japanese Dammy clad blue steel with thick spine & taper similar to Toyama, but poor grind & crapy f&f.
Harsh words for the mythical Mazascus. I wish I was flush enough to call those things "inexpensive." 😉
 

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There’s nothing wrong with me deciding to sell a knife after DIY causing knife block overflow. The knife host being inexpensive is relative, it’s still a lot more than a typical knife blank, the amount of work & time I put in is a also a lot more than atypical knife maker would, & the tool, belts, shop supplies, custom handles etc. are more than justify what ask on BST.

Don’t be a ********* fronting with personal attacks. I’d like to see you make a DIY that can hang with Toyama in performance, instead of just running your big mouth. Unless attacking people over the internet is the only skill you’ve got?
 
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There’s nothing wrong with me deciding to sell a knife after DIY causing knife block overflow. The knife host being inexpensive is relative, it’s still a lot more than a typical knife blank, the amount of work & time I put in is a also a lot more than atypical knife maker would, & the tool, belts, shop supplies, custom handles etc. are more than justify what ask on BST.

Don’t be a ********* fronting with personal attacks. I’d like to see you make a DIY that can hang with Toyama in performance, instead of just running your big mouth. Unless attacking people over the internet is the only skill you’ve got?
You must not realize who you're talking to
 

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There’s absolutely nothing wrong with trying to profit by making knives. But no for me, that’ll be a job, I do that at work. As a hobby, my goal is for fun, learning by doing, & meet my own needs, then try to be creative & contribute to the forum community at the same time.

My last two projects ended up being keepers. I still have a self-imposed rule of one-in one-out for my knife block. If I meet the goal of making it equal or better than my Toyama iron-clad, I’ll likely need to sell the Toyama in order to keep this. If I sell this instead, I’ll likely take a loss considering materials & many hours that I’ll be putting in.
Did the DIY not match up to the Toyoma in the end?
And if so, what is about it that isn’t quite there? Not trying to be antagonistic here btw, just interested given that the goal was Toyoma copy or bust.
 

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I am sorry if you were talking/joking about Mazaki, I am a bit on edge after surviving the poo storm on BST, sorry
I should've been more clear.. I am talking about you. You bought a dirt cheap knife, chopped it up, and now claim in it's par with Toyama. I happen to work as a sharpener/polisher.. so believe me when I say that you don't know *** you're doing. The last shig project where you talked about fake distal taper shows that you don't even know how to inspect a knife properly. It was fine when you were chopping up your own knives, but you've crossed the line by trying to dupe people into buying your crap.
 

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I should've been more clear.. I am talking about you. You bought a dirt cheap knife, chopped it up, and now claim in it's par with Toyama. I happen to work as a sharpener/polisher.. so believe me when I say that you don't know *** you're doing. The last shig project where you talked about fake distal taper shows that you don't even know how to inspect a knife properly. It was fine when you were chopping up your own knives, but you've crossed the line by trying to dupe people into buying your crap.
There are indeed a lot for me to learn, & I learn the most from actually doing it. I am not a knife maker, but I can certainly evaluate how well it cuts just like everybody else around here.

You’ve not seen or handled the knife, which I was willing to do a pass around for people to judge. Your personal attack is uncalled for, you should be ashamed of yourself.

For all I care, you can take your ****** sharpening skill & shove it up your own ass.
 

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There are indeed a lot for me to learn, & I learn the most from actually doing it. I am not a knife maker, but I can certainly evaluate how well it cuts just like everybody else around here.

You’ve not seen or handled the knife, which I was willing to do a pass around for people to judge. Your personal attack is uncalled for, you should be ashamed of yourself.

For all I care, you can take your ****** sharpening skill & shove it up your own ass.
You can keep your homophobic comments to yourself
 

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Did the DIY not match up to the Toyoma in the end?
And if so, what is about it that isn’t quite there? Not trying to be antagonistic here btw, just interested given that the goal was Toyoma copy or bust.
I did feel that I successfully copied the Toyama grind, the knife performs on-par with my Toyama iron-clad in cutting. Although I feel like I achieve my goal, I also decided to hold-on to the Toyama only because I need it as a reference knife.
 
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I did feel that I successfully copied the Toyama grind, the knife performs on-par with my Toyama iron-clad in cutting.
Hmm fair enough; would you mind doing some side by side cutting videos?
And I’d have definitely sold the toyoma instead the. Way less drama!
 

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I did feel that I successfully copied the Toyama grind, the knife performs on-par with my Toyama iron-clad in cutting.
bröther when the heck could you ever reasonably transform the make of a knife by replicating the grind???
 

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bröther when the heck could you ever reasonably transform the make of a knife by replicating the grind???
I guess I way over estimated some people’s IQ. I thought DIY is plenty clear that it’s not original. I’ve even stated many times out loud that IT’s NOT A Toyama. There’s no transformation of make. It’s Not a Toyama!
 

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I guess I way over estimated some people’s IQ. I thought DIY is plenty clear that it’s not original. I’ve even stated many times out loud that IT’s NOT A Toyama. There’s no transformation of make. It’s Not a Toyama!
Personally, I would have phrased it as X gyuto with DIY toyama grind.

You didn't include the original make of the knife, which is in my eyes the biggest thing. It could have been misleading to newbies on BST thinking they could score a unicorn.

Besides, why were you so reluctant to reveal the host knife and to change the title to be more transparent? I'm not saying you're trying to cheat people, but things certainly could have been more aboveboard.
 
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I'll say this and back away.

I think the OP did a great job and I like the knife. Way better than what I could do. I also feel he can sell it for whatever he likes, regardless of other peoples opinion. He put tons of work into it.

With that said, using Toyama is the title and putting a link in the selling post was not enough. It's misleading, especially to new members (there's quite a few these days). It might have been ok 5 years ago when there were more hobbiests and specialists on here, but not now.

Thats it.

ETA I was a fraud investigations manager for a large bank for the last four years. This would get my investigators notice and a SAR would be filed. You are not a business, just some reference to my statement above.
 
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How about some soothing music to help calm everyone down.

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I think the OP did a great job and I like the knife. Way better than what I could do. I also feel he can sell it for whatever he likes, regardless of other peoples opinion. He put tons of work into it.

With that said, using Toyama is the title and putting a link in the selling post was not enough. It's misleading, especially to new members (there's quite a few these days). It might have been ok 5 years ago when there were more hobbiests and specialists on here, but not now.
ANYONE can charge whatever they want for a product they sell, no matter how shoddy and bad and low quality it is. Nobody needs to buy it though.

And if you have the cash to spring $290 on a knife on a whim, without clicking on the LINK in the description, you probably won't make the $290 either.
 

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I also think @ma_sha1 did a fantastic looking job, and I also think he should label it more clearly as DIY Damascus with a Toyama inspired grind, as in the updated for sale thread. I don’t have a problem with him not disclosing the blank, although personally I’m curious. People can decide whether they want to buy without that info, or not.

However, I did think there was a rule against posting your own work in BST. If you’re regarding the input knife as just an undisclosed blank, this is a @ma_sha1 knife, not anything else. So, you should be a hobbyist craftsman to list it here. I worried about this before when I listed a very heavily modified Watanabe 180 gyuto. After hours and hours of transformation and regrinding, am I still allowed to sell on BST? I justified it since I was disclosing the original knife, and also I was selling it for $20 less than I bought it for. Anyway, food for thought.
 

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I am closing this thread. It was definitely one of the more interesting ones in recent history. I only wish it would have not ended in attacks and insults.
 
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