Wa handle making (learning as I go)

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  1. Aug 6, 2018 #31

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    After I assemble the handle I shape and sand. That removes all the excess epoxy. After that epoxy can be removed with acetone.
     
  2. Aug 6, 2018 #32

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    Thank you!
    Did you have to use super glue to grain fill before oil?
    How did you get the accurate angles when shaping?
     
  3. Aug 6, 2018 #33

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    It’s coming along nicely, I applaud your efforts. Makes me wanna try.
     
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  4. Aug 6, 2018 #34

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    haha, thank you! It’s really fun, if you have time for sure give it a try!
     
  5. Aug 6, 2018 #35

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    I will use superglue to fill gaps in the epoxy if they exist(rare).

    Acurate angles... jigs. I can’t give away all my secrets on the first date ;). Try some of your own.
     
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    hahah, well do. Thanks again!
     
  7. Aug 6, 2018 #37

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    I should have known you use jigs. Your angles are perfect, literally.
     
  8. Aug 6, 2018 #38

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    I will take that as a compliment. Jigs make for faster, reproducible results. I recently moved my collection of mistake handles, including my first round of freehand handles. Comical... one of these days I will post a photo of that pile.
     
  9. Aug 6, 2018 #39

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    Definitely not anything but a compliment. Your angles were perfect you fit the tang amazingly well. One of the best I’ve seen. I like this thread. Gjackson is generous in sharing his journey. I think most of his would like practice a bit before we shared our results.
     
  10. Aug 6, 2018 #40

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    Tang fits vary by blade, some forged blade tangs are not straight or the thickest point is sometimes in the handle. Basically, yours were the best case scenario, they fit perfectly.
     
  11. Aug 8, 2018 #41

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    Step 11 - Wax the handle
    Issues/ Safety issues/ Screw ups?
    No issues, easy stuff. I used Johnson paste wax.

    https://imgur.com/OBNsAMX
    https://imgur.com/I096CDZ

    Improvement/ things learned ?
    N/A

    Step 12 - Installation
    Issues/ Safety issues/ Screw ups?
    I used pencil sharpener to cut the hot glue stick into small shreds, then I heat the tang and pushed it in for installation(video link below).
    Problems I have faced in this step includes:
    1. I did not have enough hot glue shreds in the handle, so the neck of the tang wasn't covered after pushing it in. I tried to go back and used glue gun to drip in more hot glue to seal the neck and that got really messy.
    2. Due to issue#1, I had to used a lot of acetone to remove the extra glue, and that I believe took off some of the wax and oil on the handle. So now I have to redo steps 10 and 11.

    https://imgur.com/t5SVVRD


    Improvement/ things learned ?
    1. Hot glue is very strong (maybe just the kind I used) that I couldn't knocked the handle out. Be careful when using it, when its dry, its pretty hard to disassemble.
    2. Do step 10 and 11 after 12.
     
  12. Aug 9, 2018 #42

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    If you have gaps at the tang seal then with superglue aka CA glue. I don’t like the thick gel stuff as much as the thinner glue for this purpose.
     
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    good idea.. well.. I am already done redoing step 10 and 11. I will for sure do that for the next handle!
     
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    So my first handle is officially done! Wah wah!!
    Thanks everyone for the support and quality advice!
    Like I have mentioned before, I will like to post a bunch questions and take on some advise for my next handle.
    Questions:
    1. Do I need to use the fiber liner spacer (the white paper looking layer)? If I glue wood to wood or wood to metal would it stay?

    2. Should I use Epoxy to glue the tang? I have seen debates on pros and cons with Epoxy and other materials like melting glue, beeswax. I am not sure what to use.

    3. How to keep a precision cuts on all sides and edges? I know many have suggested using jigs, some suggested using a scroll saw, I have even seen people using traditional Japanese Kanna before.
    I am not sure how to operate those tools yet especially jigs, is there a beginner friendly ones with instructions that you guys will recommend?

    4. I am taking Bensbites suggestion to use a dowel this time for my next knife. How do I cut the tang gap/slot on the dowel? To my minimum to none knowledge about wood working, keeping the dowel down and cutting a straight line down the middle is like mission impossible.

    5. And last question for now, how to I remove the current handle on my knife if the method in link below didn't work? lol
     
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    Trying to take the handle off the knife. Following the above process.
    Just want to add that, people please be careful when you handle knives. Don’t be like me. I accidentally drop the knife, probably close to 1 inch of blade got into my foot lol.
    IMG_8618.jpg
     
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    Oh man. I hope you are ok.
    Preface: did you let the handle sit in a hot (180-200 F ) waterbath to soften the glue?


    1) tape off the blade. This will provide some protection against small cuts.
    2) lay the taped off blade against wood as in that video, wrap your hand around the wood. Fingers on the blade, wood in the plam of your hand like you are making a fist around it.
    3) press the whole thing into your leg parallel to your body. You will hit the wood with a hammer and the handle will fly away from you.
     
  17. Aug 10, 2018 #47

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    Unless the handle was epoxied in which case you may have to saw it off...
     
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    I don’t think it is. I will try again later lol
     
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    Gotcha thank you!
    Water bath? Should I have the blade in the hot water too?
    My foot should be alright, just stopped the bleeding lol
     
  20. Aug 14, 2018 #50

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    The next round of Victims are selected! IMG_8611.jpg IMG_8610.jpg
    Project 2 & 3
    Munetoshi petty & Shiraki Deba

    Munetoshi is currently suffering a bending issue due to an impact to my foot last week. It will need to be straighten first.
     
  21. Aug 14, 2018 #51

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    Let’s do it!
     
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    Why the glove during the burn in?

    A: if the blade gets to hot to hold with your bare fingers, you're getting that Tang WAY to hot.

    B: tape up the edge with thick tape ( think layers ) to prevent an injury.
     
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    Got it, I will keep it in mind for the upcoming projects!
     
  24. Aug 15, 2018 at 9:51 PM #54

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    So I made the decision to stabilize/dye my own wood this time for the project. Here’s the equipment I am going to be using, will upload more pictures this weekend.
    I have also purchased some wood, few are stabilized most are not.

    Big thanks and good luck to Myron from Dream burls.

    IMG_8969.jpg IMG_8971.jpg IMG_8952.jpg
     
  25. Aug 20, 2018 at 10:12 PM #55

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    Wow, that handle came out awesome looking! Great job!!!

    Looks like you're addicted with that stash of wood and vacuum chamber. You may want to consider Cactus Juice or Gator Venom stabilizing resins instead of Pentacryl. Pentacryl is designed to help keep green/wet wood from cracking and checking while it is drying. Stabilizing wood for handles like what K&G, WSSI, and Wood Dynamics do is typically impregnating dried wood with a heat curable resin by vacuum (and pressure for greater penetration of stabilizing solution).

    If you're only making wa handles, just using Pentacryl might work just fine depending. You might consider that company's Wood Juice product if your wood is air or kiln dried already.
     
  26. Aug 20, 2018 at 11:15 PM #56

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    That's very interesting to document how you do it to show the Dos and Don'ts to others.

    I have a few comments regarding the tang installation. I have done a few hidden tang handles myself.
    Why put glue inside the handle if you use the burn-in technique? It should be sufficient to hold it inside if performed properly. If you only want to seal the opening, you can put a small amount of silicone in the gaps once everything has cooled down.
    When the tang is fully pushed by hand, I recommend to tap several times the handle with a soft mallet (wood or rubber) to lodge the tang a bit deeper and secure.
     
  27. Aug 21, 2018 at 4:02 AM #57

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    Even kiln dried, isn't dry enough. The wood needs to be put in an oven at 225, I leave mine in over night to be safe. You can also hold the end grain against a mirror for a few seconds, if there's moisture you'll see it. Put it in a plastic bag (so it doesn't take on moisture again) and let it cool to room temp.. Then do the vacuum thing. I would stay away from pentacryl and use either of the other two products mentioned.
     
  28. Aug 21, 2018 at 4:03 AM #58

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    Lol, thank you so much!
    I have been playing around with it over the weekend, I was wondering why didn’t it work!
    I guess I purchased the wrong stuff.
    Lesson learned.

    Can I use pentacryl for something else? It’s pretty expensive to just leave it alone.
     
  29. Aug 21, 2018 at 4:07 AM #59

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    Haha to be honest I had no idea what I was doing, I saw the video, and I was told to use melt glue, so I figure they might go well together lol.
    Thank you for the suggestion, I will take in your recommendations for my current project!
     
  30. Aug 21, 2018 at 4:17 AM #60

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    gotcha, brilliant idea on the mirror! I purchased the wrong stuff, I was wondering why didn’t it work lol
     

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