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Like @OkayMode above, I’ve also been enjoying a first look at some ‘24s.

L to R: Duvette, Cambon, Saint Cyr, Breton, Lacondemine

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And they are, frankly, weird.

I can’t remember a nouveau vintage like it. Alcohol levels are very low. If you want to know what Beaujolais tasted like 75 years ago - this is probably it.

The Cambon for instance is declared at 11.5%, and is probably under that. Pretty enough aromatically, but extremely dilute on the palate. Almost tastes like it’s been watered down.

Saint Cyr had marginally more to it. But also just the smallest hint of brett. I’m fairly sensitive to brett though, a lot of people wouldn’t have noticed it.

Unsurprisingly the best was Max Breton’s - the guy is the absolute king of full cab mac. 12% abv, but again - I think that’s highballing it.

2024 volumes in the Beaujolais are going to be well down, because of hail. I suspect some of these producers have had to use fruit they might normally use for nouveau in their higher cuvees. And consequently some fruit from extremely young vines, which might normally not have been used at all, in their nouveaux.
 
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Nouveau is something that I've never been able to enjoy. I love Beaujolais generally, but there is a smell of hot-plastic cup and taste of bubblegum I've never been able to get past. Ironically its reminiscent of the estery bubblegum / banana notes I really like in a lot of German beers but something I find off-putting in this context. More reason to load up on '21 / '22 eh @cotedupy?
 
ethompson said:
Nouveau is something that I've never been able to enjoy. I love Beaujolais generally, but there is a smell of hot-plastic cup and taste of bubblegum I've never been able to get past.
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A couple of possible explanations for this…

1.) I dunno how easy it is to get decent quality nouveau in the US? In the last 20 ish years most of the best producers have started bottling a nouveau, and they’re often rather good in a kinda fun and drinky way. The regeneration has probably been driven by a couple of things: Japan is a huge market for natural wine, and they also have a weird obsession with nouveau. And nouveau parties in hipster Parisien wine bars are also a big thing.

Whatever way - it now means that you can get really quite good nouveaux. In my pic above: Chateau Cambon is a Lapierre x Chamonard/Chanudet collab, and Guy ‘Max’ Breton is obviously another one of the original Gang of Four. So fairly serious winemakers. Though don’t expect to pay much (if any) less than a Villages-level wine from the same producer.

2.) Or you may just not like full, closed cab mac wines, which is how most nouveau is made. The bubblegum/banana flavours you describe are ones that are traditionally associated with the method, though personally I don’t get them at all. They are also associated with certain yeast strains, so natural ferment wines are probably gonna be less likely to have them.

Though tbh - I can’t remember the last time I ate a banana or chewed bubblegum. So I certainly wouldn’t be an expert in the field! ;)


ethompson said:
More reason to load up on '21 / '22 eh @cotedupy?
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In a word… yes! I’ve probably tasted enough Beaujolais to have a reasonable idea of how the nouveau wines map onto higher cuvees from the same producer.

2023 nouveaux were excellent; if anything they were almost too big and chewy. I’m expecting the ‘normal’ releases to be OTT, with dark, prune-y fruit profiles, and abv levels around 14% - 14.5%.

Those 2024 nouveaux were, as I said, weird. Almost the opposite of ‘23. Dilute and very light bodied. The only vintage I’ve tasted enough of to make a semi-educated comparison might be 2012.
 
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Dan- said:
Local wine shop didn’t have any vinho verdes to go with my bacalhau, so just got some muscadet.

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p.s. I assumed you might have been being ironic here, in ‘settling’ for Pepiere Muscadet instead of vinho verde.

But if you weren’t being ironic… Marc Ollivier / Domaine Pepiere is among the best (maybe even the best) winemakers in Muscadet. That may not one of his poshest cuvees, but I personally would take it over any Vinho Verde.

Hope you enjoy!
 
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any reason to drink wine is a good reason, so i don’t oppose bojo nouveau hipster parties at all. but i have my hands full with not so nouveau beaujolais – and the world is full of young positively weird and drinkable wines – so i tend to sit out the november party (which i’m happy to admit is partly a lie 😉).

spent an evening with this friendly adult juice that i had a really good time with. (younger) makers from savoie has continuously failed to disappoint me for a while.

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sumis said:
any reason to drink wine is a good reason, so i don’t oppose bojo nouveau hipster parties at all. but i have my hands full with not so nouveau beaujolais – and the world is full of young positively weird and drinkable wines – so i tend to sit out the november party (which i’m happy to admit is partly a lie 😉).

spent an evening with this friendly adult juice that i had a really good time with. (younger) makers from savoie has continuously failed to disappoint me for a while.

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I’ve not come across this producer before, but will certainly look out for it.

Do you know the wines of: Prieure St. Christophe (Michel Grisard)? Utterly extraordinary Mondeuse…
 
cotedupy said:
Do you know the wines of: Prieure St. Christophe (Michel Grisard)? Utterly extraordinary Mondeuse…
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yes, in the sense: been on my radar. thank you for giving me further motivation :) will now def pull the trigger when opportunity is given (buying wine in sweden is sometimes a complicated [and always expensive] process).

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sumis said:
yes, in the sense: been on my radar. thank you for giving me further motivation :) will now def pull the trigger when opportunity is given (buying wine in sweden is sometimes a complicated [and always expensive] process).

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Beerzebub said:
I haven't had wines from either of those Savoie producers and will keep my eyes out for both. My favorites I've tried are probably Domaine Dupasquier, and Belluard (for bubbly).
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Here’s a little more info about PStC from a wine writer friend of mine:

https://wineanorak.com/2021/07/10/a-remarkable-mondeuse-from-the-hero-of-this-savoie-variety/


Michel G is quite old now, and ‘14 was his last vintage before he sold the domaine. I’ve not tasted any vintages since he left, however he always had a tendency to hold back some stock for later release, as the wines age superbly. So it may well still be possible to buy bottles from his final years.

Especially somewhere like Sweden, where I get the impression you have access to some quite interesting and tightly allocated wines (even if tax does make them quite expensive).
 
sumis said:
yes, in the sense: been on my radar. thank you for giving me further motivation :) will now def pull the trigger when opportunity is given (buying wine in sweden is sometimes a complicated [and always expensive] process).

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Good lord… I’ve just googled the price it goes for now, and the inflation is (considerably) worse even than Ganevat. From memory, about ten years ago I was paying a touch over £20 ex vat in bottle, a touch under £50 in mag.

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The wine is very, very good, but it’s not worth anything near ^that^.

And alas, unlike my small stash of old vintage Ganevat, I don’t think I’ve got any Priuere Saint Christophe left in the cellar. :(
 
There was a blind lager test a short while ago...Heineken came in quite at the end....it always was a 'refreshing' beer (read, low on flavor) but due to shrinkflation I suspect they shortened the fermentation period or Wort content ...(or both). It's like watery festival beer lately.
 
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