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LOCATION
What country are you in?
USA

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?
Santoku

Are you right or left handed?
Right

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?
Wa

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
170-180mm x 50mm+

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
No. Preference is iron clad carbon. No stainless clad. Would consider clad or mono stainless core though.

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?
$300 but less is better.

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?
Home

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)
The usual stuff but looking for an all 'rounder. I like thin but not delicate.

What knife, if any, are you replacing?
Replacing? hahahahahaha!

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)
Pinch

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)
Whatever feels right at the time but mostly push cut. I prefer a flatter profile.

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)
N/A

Better aesthetics
All things are subjective and I like kurouchi finishes. Not a must have but definite preference for it. Nashiji would be next.

I like the classic bull-nose/sheep's foot style of santoku but not a deal breaker.


Comfort
N/A

Ease of Use and Care
N/A

Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?
N/A

SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS
As said, I like thin but not delicate. Had a Yoshikane and didn't jive with it. Very thin and while I like flat, the Yoshi was too much even for me. I also tend to like lighter knives. Shindo is attractive in many ways but I'm concerned it's a touch thin.

The Okubo on Knife Japan checks a lot of boxes but I'm not sure about the grind.

https://knifejapan.com/okubo-kajiya-santoku-170mm-aogami-2/I think @tostadas said his nakiri was quite thick. But it was also a large size so maybe that played a role. I just did a lot of heavy work on a knife and not feeling like doing it again for a while. :)

I guess I'm looking for that Goldilocks/unicornish type knife. Thin and light but not too thin or too short (height) and flat but not too flat. The no stainless cladding also narrows the field.

So whatchya got KKF?
 
The okubo is a weighty knife. Not middle weight, a bit more than that. Taller heavier, thicker at the handle. I've owned the santoku.

Steel and it's feel through food is excellent though, and I would buy again. Very thin behind the edge and slight concave grind with noticable shoulders. Left is flatter than right side. Quite asymmetric.
 
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The okubo is a weighty knife. Not middle weight, a bit more than that. Taller heavier, thicker at the handle. I've owned the santoku.

Steel and it's feel through food is excellent though, and I would buy again. Very thing behind the edge and slight concave grind with noticable shoulders. Left is flatter than right side. Quite asymmetric.

Strong endorsement as far as I'm concerned. "Feel through food" and "thin behind the edge" are the keys. Thank you.
 
Mazaki kurouchi maybe? With the caveats that it won't have sheepsfoot tip and most vendors have it come with the infamous walnut ferrule handle.

From what I've seen his prices haven't increased as much as other Sanjo makers recently. I got a killer deal on one of his kurouchi nakiri earlier this year.
I think this is a pretty good suggestion. I just got a Mizaki 240 KU and it is a really great feeling middle weight that just wants to go through food. I can loan it to you after I get a chance to play around with it if you are not in too much of a hurry to scratch this itch. I know it isn’t a santoku, but it would give you a pretty good feel for what it might be like.
 
I think this is a pretty good suggestion. I just got a Mizaki 240 KU and it is a really great feeling middle weight that just wants to go through food. I can loan it to you after I get a chance to play around with it if you are not in too much of a hurry to scratch this itch. I know it isn’t a santoku, but it would give you a pretty good feel for what it might be like.

That's very kind of you. Thank you. But I'll respectfully pass. 240's are just too large for me even though I understand it would be just to get a feel. Right now I'm just kicking the tires anyway.
 
LOCATION
What country are you in?
USA

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?
Santoku

Are you right or left handed?
Right

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?
Wa

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
170-180mm x 50mm+

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
No. Preference is iron clad carbon. No stainless clad. Would consider clad or mono stainless core though.

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?
$300 but less is better.

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?
Home

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)
The usual stuff but looking for an all 'rounder. I like thin but not delicate.

What knife, if any, are you replacing?
Replacing? hahahahahaha!

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)
Pinch

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)
Whatever feels right at the time but mostly push cut. I prefer a flatter profile.

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)
N/A

Better aesthetics
All things are subjective and I like kurouchi finishes. Not a must have but definite preference for it. Nashiji would be next.

I like the classic bull-nose/sheep's foot style of santoku but not a deal breaker.


Comfort
N/A

Ease of Use and Care
N/A

Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?
N/A

SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS
As said, I like thin but not delicate. Had a Yoshikane and didn't jive with it. Very thin and while I like flat, the Yoshi was too much even for me. I also tend to like lighter knives. Shindo is attractive in many ways but I'm concerned it's a touch thin.

The Okubo on Knife Japan checks a lot of boxes but I'm not sure about the grind.

https://knifejapan.com/okubo-kajiya-santoku-170mm-aogami-2/I think @tostadas said his nakiri was quite thick. But it was also a large size so maybe that played a role. I just did a lot of heavy work on a knife and not feeling like doing it again for a while. :)

I guess I'm looking for that Goldilocks/unicornish type knife. Thin and light but not too thin or too short (height) and flat but not too flat. The no stainless cladding also narrows the field.

So whatchya got KKF?
Mazaki 😎
 
Perfect time to join the Kyohei cult.

Out of stock now but @TokushuKnife might be able to give an idea when back in stock, otherwise I trust your vendor hunting abilities.
https://tokushuknife.com/collections/kyohei-shindo/products/165mm-kyohei-shindo-santoku-blue-2
Takeo Murata is another great option here. Same rustic Tosa vibe of Shindo but is has an interesting profile. @Seemore was kind enough to let me test drive his santoku and can speak more to the maker, but I was really happy with it. Not quite so violently thin BTE as Shindo's but also has an interesting grind. The tip is pretty thin and made an excellent garlic/shallot knife while back half is a bit more substantially ground. Really comfortable in-hand and can do everything you ask of a 165. Nice iteration of aogami #1

https://homebutcher.com/products/murata-blue-1-165mm-santoku
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Definitely checks a lot of boxes and I had that bookmarked for a while but I've read more than one account of this line being on the thicker side. 🤷‍♂️
They're (slightly) hollow ground, and I wouldn't call them thick, you can sharpen it at a more acute angle than it comes with OOTB and can get it nail/rod flexing (or as close to that as you're comfortable with) as is, with very little work required, IME; great attention to detail on this line, especially the KU.

That said, I'd pick the Okubo knowing that it would need some thinning/F&F work when it arrived (personally).
 
HHC, Sorry I didn't have time to elaborate on this knife.

I know it's not a Santoku per-se, but it's quite close. I have this knife. It's performance is absolutely on par with my Toyamas/Watanabe's. In fact, if I didn't have the Toyama 180 Dama Santoku that I got a few months ago, I'd rate it my favorite knife. It steers straight through all produce, including cabbage (a big deal to me), has a great big flat spot, is tall enough to scoop veg, and is an oversized 180mm (my favorite length). It just ticks all the boxes.

At that sale price, one of the finest buys out there IME.
 
HHC, Sorry I didn't have time to elaborate on this knife.

I know it's not a Santoku per-se, but it's quite close. I have this knife. It's performance is absolutely on par with my Toyamas/Watanabe's. In fact, if I didn't have the Toyama 180 Dama Santoku that I got a few months ago, I'd rate it my favorite knife. It steers straight through all produce, including cabbage (a big deal to me), has a great big flat spot, is tall enough to scoop veg, and is an oversized 180mm (my favorite length). It just ticks all the boxes.

At that sale price, one of the finest buys out there IME.

Thank you. For this one, I really want that classic bill nose style. Have had several bunkas and just looking for that santoku shape. But I appreciate you taking the time.
 
Thank you. For this one, I really want that classic bill nose style. Have had several bunkas and just looking for that santoku shape. But I appreciate you taking the time.
Of all people I completely understand. I had to have a tall Santoku with a big flat spot, 180mm in length, and with a pronounced bill nose. So in an expansive, expansive moment bought a Toyama Damascus Santoku. It’s my favorite knife, even if it’s price would cause my Norwegian ancestors to roll in their graves.
 
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