Why not ship a knife in it's saya

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  1. May 9, 2019 #1

    Barashka

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    Hello,
    Always wondered why, when people ship knives with sayas, knives are wrapped and packaged outside of sayas?

    Is it because the saya isn't a perfect fit and knife rattles? Can it really damage the knife?
    Is it because knives don't always come with sayas and so people just got used to doing it this way? A lot of default knife boxes don't even seem to be big enough for the saya ...

    Cheers.
     
  2. May 9, 2019 #2

    chinacats

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    Moisture would be my concern... and as stated won't fit in the box.
     
  3. May 9, 2019 #3

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    When I’ve had knives shipped in sayas that aren’t fitted, I’ve received them with scratches all over the blade face (happened recently with a rather rare & expensive knife). Other big problem is as Chinacats said, if the wood has any moisture, it’s ripe for rusting. Especially on long voyages.
     
  4. May 9, 2019 #4

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    AFAIK you need moisture management due to extreme altitude of air-freight and unpressurized cargo holds,
    would rather have VCI paper and carboard vs Solid wood, provided of course the knife box is bubble wrapped and outer boxec, etc.

    Keep in mind serious vendor in parctice ssem to supplement this with both plasticene and/or oil in addition to VCI papers,
    even on good knives...JKI has a nice video about how to clean that stuff off.
     
  5. May 10, 2019 #5

    Chef Doom

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    Same reason why bulk condom shipments don't come in boxes. A waste off extra packaging.
     
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    Thank you for sharing.
     
  7. May 10, 2019 #7

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    Couldn’t have said it better....

    Moisture is always my main concern
     
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    Ok thank you, totally didn't think about altitude change during shipping causing moisture problems.
     
  9. May 10, 2019 #9

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    You mean those 1000 ft lengths, shipped on a spool?

    So you can measure out the piece you'll actually be using; cut to length; tie off with the tip with baling twine -- and enjoy!
     
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    I usually use a vac sealer instead of baling twine, but whatever works.
     
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    Vac sealer!

    :D:D:D:D
     
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    Rattles!
     
  13. May 15, 2019 #13

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    Wooden saya will always cause scratches on a knife. Would you like your brand new knife with scratches? Most people have n here would throw a hissy fit and return it. So package and send separately.

    If it’s rattling, the edge is smacking the wood inside. So lots of saya will actually dull a sharp knife. So package separately.

    And of course the above mentioned moisture for carbon knives.
     
  14. May 15, 2019 #14

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    They are a sign you are living life to the fullest.
     
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    As of late, some makers have built sayas with liners inside that help with the scratches..... K&S shipped me one of their friction Mazaki sayas with a liner... very nicely done... as Ace Ventura would say “like a glooooove!” ;-)

    This has no baring on the issue of moisture, just scratching....
     
  16. May 17, 2019 #16

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    I used to use the vac sealer, but had a bad experience with the heat sealing mechanism.
     
  17. May 18, 2019 #17
    I would think storage is another issue in addition to scratches. Many knives sit boxed and unopened on shelves for awhile, (and I've never seen desiccant used), being stored in a saya would be a bad thing. Again moisture would be the root problem.
     
  18. May 18, 2019 #18

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    So the "saya wood creates a protective gas barrier" assertion may not be entirely accurate?
     
  19. May 18, 2019 #19

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    Wood is unlikely to scratch steel unless it’s really high in silica which is only really true of tropical woods. Even then it would be rare. Usually if a saya scratches a knife it’s because the inside surfaces have been sanded at some point which leaves grit embedded in the wood. Smoothing and shaping the cavity using planes and chisels is slower but for good knives is worth it. I’m sceptical of sayas lines with felt or leather both from a hygiene perspective - absorbent surfaces are hard to keep clean, and a corrosion perspective as they will pick up moisture.

    CNC may be the answer
     
  20. May 21, 2019 at 4:07 AM #20

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    Two things I learned from this thread:

    1. Shipping with the says on is a bad idea

    2. Buy your condoms in bulk
     

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