K813zra
Senior Member
Hello everyone, I am new to the site in terms that I have never posted before but have been reading for some time now. I have been sharpening for a number of years and trying out different stones. I have found that some work well for my razors, others work well for my tools and I am still on the fence about what works well, at least according to my preference, for my kitchen knives. Before I tell you what I am looking for I will tell you what I already have and what I like or dislike about them. Maybe that will help lead me in the right direction.
This questions seems to come up in a lot of posts so I will go ahead and tell you what steels I am sharpening.
White #2, Blue #2, VG10 (While I have other steels they are not something I use in the kitchen and fall in line with my stones for tools.)
Stones that I currently have or had.
My first set was as follows:
Beston 500 (An awful, for me, stone. Odd feedback, excessive soaking and slower.)
Bester 1200 (So-so all around.)
Suehiro Rika 5k (I liked this stone but found it to be a little more muddy than I prefer if not used as a S&G stone.)
Kitayama 8000 (There was nothing wrong with this stone but I find it too fine for my needs.)
My first upgrade:
Shapton Pro
320 (I like this stone much better than the beston. Okay feedback and quick.)
1000 (Again a decent stone that I found to be quicker than my Bester.)
2000 (A great stone for finishing my relatives softer knives.)
5000 (I hate this stone with a passion. It has a strange feel to it that is hard for me to put into words but it was not enjoyable to sharpen on.)
As a general note: I find the shapton stones to be too hard and have little tactile feedback.
Second upgrade:
Chosera
400 (A good stone all around but sometimes I want a little more aggression.)
1000 (No real complaints other than being on the hard side.)
3000 (I love the edge that comes off this stone and it has good feedback for a hard stone.)
General note: These stones have better, for me, feedback than the shapton stones but I find that they are still harder than I like and the performance for price upgrade just isn't there over the shapton stones.
Misc Stones
King 1000/6000 (Slow, muddy and soft)
Suehiro Cerax 320 (While this is on the soft side I find that it has the feedback and aggression that I am looking for, a keeper. Needs a soak but not overly lengthy.)
Suehiro Cerax 1000 (I love this stone. Not too hard, not too soft, fairly aggressive and has good feedback.)
Suehiro Cerax 6000 (This stone is fairly comparable to its 1000 grit sister but is harder. I know, that seems to be natural but I am looking for something else.)
Assorted diamond plates for stone maintenance and repair work.
Having said all of that, I was wondering what stones are out there that are harder than kings but softer than shaptons and would compliment my Cerax 320/1000. Something in the 2000-3000 grit range and something in the 5000-6000 grit range. Something that requires a 10-20 minute soak is just fine.
I did do a lot of reading before making this post and have seen some stones of interest. I noticed that there are stones marketed as Suehiro Rika 3000 and 6000 stones on a site that is not much liked around here. Having said that, I can not seem to find such stones anywhere else. However, if you compare their markings you can find what I believe to be the same stone but under a different name, under said different name I have only found them for sale in Japan. If they are the same stones then their names on Japanese sites are Kouga and shiramine. I don't know if these would fit my needs as I have seen very little information about them but would love to hear feedback.
Another stone of interest in the Gesshin 6000s. I have watched the videos on this stone and it seems to be a fast cutting, softer stone that is muddy but not overly so.
Anyway, while those stones caught my eye, I am open to all suggestions.
As an aside, I do use a 3-4 stone progression. As in I use 3 stones typically but add a fourth coarser stone if needed, this isn't often on my own knives. Something like 320-500, 1000, 3000, 6000.
Sorry in advance for the amount of text and my being picky. However, I have found after reading a lot of threads that a lot of people ask for as much info as they can about the sharpener. Thank you in advance if you can steer me in the right direction!
This questions seems to come up in a lot of posts so I will go ahead and tell you what steels I am sharpening.
White #2, Blue #2, VG10 (While I have other steels they are not something I use in the kitchen and fall in line with my stones for tools.)
Stones that I currently have or had.
My first set was as follows:
Beston 500 (An awful, for me, stone. Odd feedback, excessive soaking and slower.)
Bester 1200 (So-so all around.)
Suehiro Rika 5k (I liked this stone but found it to be a little more muddy than I prefer if not used as a S&G stone.)
Kitayama 8000 (There was nothing wrong with this stone but I find it too fine for my needs.)
My first upgrade:
Shapton Pro
320 (I like this stone much better than the beston. Okay feedback and quick.)
1000 (Again a decent stone that I found to be quicker than my Bester.)
2000 (A great stone for finishing my relatives softer knives.)
5000 (I hate this stone with a passion. It has a strange feel to it that is hard for me to put into words but it was not enjoyable to sharpen on.)
As a general note: I find the shapton stones to be too hard and have little tactile feedback.
Second upgrade:
Chosera
400 (A good stone all around but sometimes I want a little more aggression.)
1000 (No real complaints other than being on the hard side.)
3000 (I love the edge that comes off this stone and it has good feedback for a hard stone.)
General note: These stones have better, for me, feedback than the shapton stones but I find that they are still harder than I like and the performance for price upgrade just isn't there over the shapton stones.
Misc Stones
King 1000/6000 (Slow, muddy and soft)
Suehiro Cerax 320 (While this is on the soft side I find that it has the feedback and aggression that I am looking for, a keeper. Needs a soak but not overly lengthy.)
Suehiro Cerax 1000 (I love this stone. Not too hard, not too soft, fairly aggressive and has good feedback.)
Suehiro Cerax 6000 (This stone is fairly comparable to its 1000 grit sister but is harder. I know, that seems to be natural but I am looking for something else.)
Assorted diamond plates for stone maintenance and repair work.
Having said all of that, I was wondering what stones are out there that are harder than kings but softer than shaptons and would compliment my Cerax 320/1000. Something in the 2000-3000 grit range and something in the 5000-6000 grit range. Something that requires a 10-20 minute soak is just fine.
I did do a lot of reading before making this post and have seen some stones of interest. I noticed that there are stones marketed as Suehiro Rika 3000 and 6000 stones on a site that is not much liked around here. Having said that, I can not seem to find such stones anywhere else. However, if you compare their markings you can find what I believe to be the same stone but under a different name, under said different name I have only found them for sale in Japan. If they are the same stones then their names on Japanese sites are Kouga and shiramine. I don't know if these would fit my needs as I have seen very little information about them but would love to hear feedback.
Another stone of interest in the Gesshin 6000s. I have watched the videos on this stone and it seems to be a fast cutting, softer stone that is muddy but not overly so.
Anyway, while those stones caught my eye, I am open to all suggestions.
As an aside, I do use a 3-4 stone progression. As in I use 3 stones typically but add a fourth coarser stone if needed, this isn't often on my own knives. Something like 320-500, 1000, 3000, 6000.
Sorry in advance for the amount of text and my being picky. However, I have found after reading a lot of threads that a lot of people ask for as much info as they can about the sharpener. Thank you in advance if you can steer me in the right direction!