i just bought a cleaver, a Shibazi from tastepadthai.com. it was listed as a carbon steel cleaver, but ended up being stainless (when i inquired, they admitted the listing was wrong, and offered to refund me half the money if i wanted to keep it: i kept it and thanked them for the offer, but declined the refund). i'd never owned one. over all, it has a nice grind, with just one small hole in the edge, which was easily fixed on a chosera 1k. chosera 1k followed by shapton glass 4k followed by a strop quickly gave it a shaving edge. the steel feels very similar to Victorinox fibrox steel, and i sharpened it the same way i sharpen one of those. man, cleavers are awesome for mincing garlic! an usuba had been my mincer of choice, but this is another thing entirely! much better f&f than i was expecting, too. i'm really very happy with it.