Stones... favs?...lineups?

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foody518 said:
The Gesshin stones I've used (mostly the soakers not the S&G) tend to offer more desirable traits with fewer tradeoffs (or tradeoffs to a lesser degree) compared to others I have: some Imanishi/Bester, Naniwa, Suehiro, King, Sigma Power. The Sigmas as a whole might be my current 2nd favorite overall brand in synthetics, but lose out in cutting speed
-Pretty good feedback
-More cutting action per stone expenditure
-The ones I've used have been pretty dang fast in general. The 2k and 4k soakers are ridiculous for their grit range.
-Some mud/slurry generation (as opposed to just swarf skating on a nonresponsive surface), which I like

Under what conditions would they be a suboptimal choice - if you sharpen in a way that it takes X amount of strokes to find your angle and get going, or get into a habit with feeling like sharpening takes X number of strokes or X amount of time, there will be more than necessary metal removal and overuse of these stones.

You get what you pay for with these
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Foody, compared to your naniwas, how do you personally feel Gesshins compare
 
Faster cutting at the grits I can compare evenly (Chosera/Pro and the Gouken series), very noticeable. More desirable if you like a little mud getting worked up. Faster cutting isn't everything, mind you, like, I treat the Naniwa Hayabusa 4k as more of a refinement stone whereas on the Gesshin 4k had to try and dial back to not generate a sizeable burr with it. Feedback is more telling on the Gesshins, probably some of that is that I've got predominantly the Gesshin soakers and am comparing to more S&G Naniwa stones. I don't own any Gesshin 5-8k grit finishers (yet) and am happy with the synthetic finishers I've currently got
I really don't think I've gotten a 'bad' synthetic. There's been a few I didn't jive with at first, but some months later with better technique and awareness have come back to and understand + enjoy more. All have been at least fair or good or great, but there is also that 'better' tier when you have to compare like this :)
 
I find that good soakers have better feedback and are faster cutters for the same grit. S&G is more convenient if it's a togo kit or you can not permasoak.

Benuser said:
If you live in Europe you may get the Naniwa Pro series at reasonable prices. I would suggest 400, 800 and 3k, corresponding to JIS 500, 1200 and 4k in the end result. The 2k is great for deburring simple stainless.
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Interesting, does it means that Naniwa is using ISO and not JIS? Does it apply to their old chosera line?
 
No, it's about the end result. A Chosera / Naniwa Pro 800 will give an 1200-ish end-result, if used lightly with a bit of mud.
 
Benuser said:
No, it's about the end result. A Chosera / Naniwa Pro 800 will give an 1200-ish end-result, if used lightly with a bit of mud.
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I see. That's alignes with my experience of Chosera 800.
While they use JIS (I assume), it seems that the performance is more aligned to ANSI scale.
 
foody518 said:
Faster cutting at the grits I can compare evenly (Chosera/Pro and the Gouken series), very noticeable. More desirable if you like a little mud getting worked up. Faster cutting isn't everything, mind you, like, I treat the Naniwa Hayabusa 4k as more of a refinement stone whereas on the Gesshin 4k had to try and dial back to not generate a sizeable burr with it. Feedback is more telling on the Gesshins, probably some of that is that I've got predominantly the Gesshin soakers and am comparing to more S&G Naniwa stones. I don't own any Gesshin 5-8k grit finishers (yet) and am happy with the synthetic finishers I've currently got
I really don't think I've gotten a 'bad' synthetic. There's been a few I didn't jive with at first, but some months later with better technique and awareness have come back to and understand + enjoy more. All have been at least fair or good or great, but there is also that 'better' tier when you have to compare like this :)
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Thanks foody. So it seems overall you find the Gesshins a little more aggressive?
 
Lately, for my good white or blue steel knives, I go red aoto then aizu and get great cutting performance. For my stainless knives I just stick with JNS 1k. I like a toothy edge.
 
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