StonedEdge
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You're talking about your particular stones and you're particular sharpening process. Im talking generally.
You're talking about your particular stones and you're particular sharpening process. Im talking generally.
I like to use Jnats when I have time to play with them. Fooling around I found that an Omura cuts a better edge on German stainless than any other stone in my kit. Your Omura may vary.
In this context I think the OP is looking for something that Jnats don't offer and that's predictability. I know exactly what to expect from my JKI plates, JNS s&g, Gesshin 1/6, etc. New users can develop proficiency more effectively when the stone behaves the same (or very close to it) from knife to knife regardless of steel.
Jnats are often described as a rabbit hole. Sometimes it's left out that the rabbit belongs to Alice.
Eh, I am way to young to have gone to find Alice. :razz:
I dated her in high school.....
Ha! No worries dude, I was actually typing up a long response but being on a mobile it messed up and I lost my draft and I was running into work and didn't want to re-type it so I just stuck with the gist of what I was going to say..."ok" as in, I see what you're saying lol my badAt the end of the day, in general, you are still right though. Naturals are slower, typically. Picking the right stone does help mitigate the speed difference though! Chosing speedy stones. (I normally keep faster stones and sell slower ones so maybe I am a bit biased here.)
Sorry, I am like all jittery and chatty today. I don't have a clue one as I only had one coffee.
Ha! No worries dude, I was actually typing up a long response but being on a mobile it messed up and I lost my draft and I was running into work and didn't want to re-type it so I just stuck with the gist of what I was going to say..."ok" as in, I see what you're saying lol my bad
On speed and predictability, imho, if I was working in a prof enviroment my choice would hands down be fast, reliable, and predictable synth stones. However, as a home cook that is a hobbyists, that is less important to me than quality of edge and feed back and overall feel of the stone.
Don't you guys find sharpening on the same stone boring? I guess its also great to get really really decent on ONE stone so you can benchmark yourself when you use other stones?
Again thank you for all the valuable information guys, discussion equals progress
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... I guess its also great to get really really decent on ONE stone so you can benchmark yourself when you use other stones?...
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I will use that in the future when my wife ask why im buying so many stones, "But Honey, I didn't have a strong emotional and spritual bond with that last stone" .... Oh wait, i think I already used that one on knives [emoji15]This is where naturals really come in to play. I believe that every now and then we get lucky and find that one stone that just does it for you, period. Not so much that you got proficient at using "that" stone, but more that you connected with it...
Once that happens you will truly be a basket case. lol.
I don't think anywhere is safe enough to keep my cherished Ohira Suita.
On speed and predictability, imho, if I was working in a prof enviroment my choice would hands down be fast, reliable, and predictable synth stones. However, as a home cook that is a hobbyists, that is less important to me than quality of edge and feed back and overall feel of the stone.
Don't you guys find sharpening on the same stone boring? I guess its also great to get really really decent on ONE stone so you can benchmark yourself when you use other stones?
Again thank you for all the valuable information guys, discussion equals progress
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I may be the exception here... but for me sharpening stones are a bit like toilet paper. In the end all I care about is the result. While there is some benefit to tools that bring more comfort to the process - be it better stones or softer paper - in the end I really don't want to obsess over the process. As long as I have a clean bum - or a satisfyingly sharp edge, I'm happy.
I really don't see much of a need to dive much deeper into the stone-hole if you're happy with the results you're currently getting. If you're not, identify the specific problem and figure out the solution. Also keep in mind that better stones don't automatically make a better sharpener. In that sense I subscribe to the Murray Carter school of thought that (within limits of course) your own skill is more determinant of the outcome than the stones.
Also, genuine question: why do some people dislike the Kitayama? I've heard it being well-liked in other places and I was considering it were I ever to move up into higher grits (so far Arashiyama 6000 suffices), and I wonder what's putting some people off that stone? Watanabe uses it as his main finisher so it can't be that bad?
Dave Martell did a very good write up on the Kit and his love / hate relationship with it. A little google should find it.
I tried to google the info also but the Search feature on KKF leaves a lot to be desired.You get more then you need and most of everything else.
Explains why I couldn't find it.
And yeah I caught on to the 'using google' a long time ago. Works heaps better than the internal function.
I've had the chance to own some new knives that really got me thinking about exploring JNats. I have a question on buying though.
I see many retailers list their stone, let say an Ohira Suita, sometimes they will have no stamp, sometimes they only have the stamp of the mine, sometimes you have only the sellers own stamp (like 330).
So how does one know if they really are Ohira suitas !? And not some random stone? I guess you just really have to trust the seller?
Also sometimes stones will just say "Natural Awesedo" or "Gotie" on them, so how do you tell what are they? Just some random Tomae ??
This is so confusing .....
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