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This sounds like a great stone and not expensive at all. I have a large standard King 1200 and a Rika 5000. How would the feedback compare to those? Sorry, my only points of reference. Love the feedback on the Rika! King 1200 not so much. I didn't mind it until I got the Rika. :)

Thanks,
Gareth
 
Just a quick question to clarify the situation around the King 1000 stones. Do I understand correctly that there are just two: the 'normal' one and the 'hyper', the hyper being softer (also much more expensive, at least here in DE) than the normal one?
 
i'm really confused now. it appears i DO have the normal 'hard' version.
listing where i bought it:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262703031006
the same seller lists the soft version
http://www.ebay.com/itm//252618416214

the printing on the two stones look different. easier difference being the photo from the listing i bought mine it says 'made in japan' on the bottom where the soft version does not.
 
panda said:
i'm really confused now. it appears i DO have the normal 'hard' version.
listing where i bought it:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262703031006
the same seller lists the soft version
http://www.ebay.com/itm//252618416214

the printing on the two stones look different. easier difference being the photo from the listing i bought mine it says 'made in japan' on the bottom where the soft version does not.
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Prices on that eBay listing are wonky. I swear just the other day it was listed at $56
 
Damnit. Just when you think you have the confusopoly of sharpening stones figured out... :(
 
i talked to stu about the difference between cerax 1k and debado 1k, he said that the cerax is faster, but the debado has better feedback and dishes less.

Berko, just buy the standard version again so we can compare notes 🙂
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must resist wanting to rebuy stones that i already sold once, its hard enough without that...
 
Surprisingly no one linked this yet in this thread.... so I figured I'd link this. It's a pretty comprehensive review of 1000 grit stones by a Japanese retailer. It's a few years old and doesn't cover all the brands, but still pretty useful I'd say:

Results 1
http://www.toolsfromjapan.com/wordpress/?p=672

Results 2
http://www.toolsfromjapan.com/wordpress/?p=678

Results 3
http://www.toolsfromjapan.com/wordpress/?p=726

Results 4
http://www.toolsfromjapan.com/wordpress/?p=756

Results 5
http://www.toolsfromjapan.com/wordpress/?p=713

If you want the whole background and methodology, just click backwards towards the older posts; there's 3 posts in which he explains the whole how and why.
It's the most comprehensive (and one of the rare few) attempts at objective comparisons of sharpening stones I've seen on the net.
It also explains quite a few of the conflicting / contradicting / confusing arguments floating around.
 
panda said:
i'm really confused now. it appears i DO have the normal 'hard' version.
listing where i bought it:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262703031006
the same seller lists the soft version
http://www.ebay.com/itm//252618416214

the printing on the two stones look different. easier difference being the photo from the listing i bought mine it says 'made in japan' on the bottom where the soft version does not.
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that makes a lot more sense to me... the harder one acts more like what you're describing
 
to make things easy, i've been informed blueway carries the hyper now, both versions.
here is the standard one (cause i don't think anybody wants the soft version? i could be wrong)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Japanese-Whetstone-KING-HYPER-1000-Grit-Standard-Hardness-/381953048275

standard shipping is expensive, but probably get it in 1-2 weeks instead of 3 or 4

but i would just wait and get it from japanissimo with free shipping, the seller i got mine from. they've lowered the price too. normally i say pay the fee for faster delivery, but in this case it's a huge difference. because it's a smaller scale. $257 vs 290 is not as big deal. but 57 vs 90 is hard pill to swallow.
 
Not to throw a spanner in the works but there are in fact three versions of the King Hyper 1000:
Soft; standard; hard. Good hunting
 
Its relatively cheap available in Germany here: https://www.dictum.com/en/sharpenin...-sharpening-stone-bdquo-hyper-ldquo-grit-1000

No idea which version. They say its softer than the regular King. Do all versions look the same?

Edit: Actually on the Japanissimo page, the soft version has an extra Kanji below the black line, so it appears the version I linked to is not the soft version. Interesting that the hard version is still described as softer than the regular King which is quite soft already. Please keep us updated on how fast it dishes, panda.
 
Assessment to follow after weekend. Standard hardness King Hyper 1000:



Very generously discounted by Metalmaster for tiny defect that I'm not even going to bother lapping out for now.

 
Benny I'm really confused why they would list it as soft, it is definitely a hard stone. I would have dismissed it otherwise as I don't care for soft ones.

Been so busy haven't even done touchups, just getting by using mac black on misono carbon lol. I'll report for sure when I give it serious use. Still gotta compare with chosera 800 as well.
 
@Panda
Since its Dictum.. they "invent" the weirdest stuff..
Double bevel nakiris are called usuba.
Amakusa jnats are just calle "aka"(its like i call a red ferrari just "red"..like "i drive with my red")

So thats Dictum magic! ;) And no need to be confused.
 
This thing is like a turkey singing Megadeth...



... It gobbles metal.










And I may have found a solution to that pesky Tanaka ginsanko cladding problem



 
Badgertooth said:
Assessment to follow after weekend. Standard hardness King Hyper 1000:



Very generously discounted by Metalmaster for tiny defect that I'm not even going to bother lapping out for now.

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I will be very interested to read this. Tried finding this stone in Metalmaster's store but no go? I was shocked at how much of a difference the AI#1000 from Watanabe made and am actually working up more than a mild interest in synthetics...
 
After looking at Matsunaga's webpage(Japanese section and not English), it seems the way of identifying the soft version from the standard Hyper is by the number of kanji below the 1000 stamp and the line on the stones themselves. The soft version will have seven symbols and the standard version will have four.
So before buying one I would check out a picture of the stone itself rather than the box.
 
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