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I'm not seeing any vilification of this knife here, just honest opinions about the shape and grind of a prototype.
 
Sorry. you are absolutely right. I got lost in my own rhetoric. :slaphead:

Would it be fair to say that the commodity nature has been listed on this thread as a negative? My point is only that this is also true of most of the knives I own, and most of those were recommend by members here. Seems an unusual critique to me is all. Especially given the price point.
 
Here is my take on this issue

My wife owns a high end retail optical and optometry business. When we first started, me being a cheap a$$, want to try to cut cost, and skimp on everything. She along the way would not have any of that. I am starting to understand.

For us, being cheap doesn't work. You try to be smart with your money, but for us as a small business, we can't compete against the least common denominator that is Walmarts or $99 for two pairs of glasses and an exam type of business (which will try to upsell you like no tomorrow).

Two issues. It cheapens our product and the reputation my wife has built up, which is great service and health care.
We will also lose because those guys don't care, and they can do it cheaper than you can. They buy their frames for $5 and lenses for $2, have horrible customer service at the optical (a lot of times, cutting the lenses incorrectly and not what the prescription calls for), and the doctor sees them for only 3 minutes for their glass prescription, not worrying about the health of their eyes. Most people who go there look at cost, but don't truly know the actual costs.

For us to differentiate, we have to educate our patients and clients on what it is to have quality, customer service, and great care with the latest most advanced technical equipment (all is very expensive). It is unfortunate that the walmart effect is the norm, because people don't know any better, and have never been educated to what is quality, service and customer support after the sale. I had a machine that cuts the glasses go down last month because it was not cutting the lense correctly and not giving the fit and finish that a high end place is accustomed to. It would probably be OK for the walmart clientel, but we decided to make an investment and spend 30K on a new machine. I just wrote that check this morning and it really hurts, but in the end, we believe that is what our customers deserve.

Now, I am not saying that this particular knife (I have not had a chance to play with it) is worth the price or quality. Someone mentioned the Walmart effect, and I just had to rant (because there is a walmart right down the street from us).

As people who want to differentiate themselves from the masses, care about your products, and are craftsmen and artist you have to have conviction that quality will prevail, and have to educate your customers on the virtues of quality and customer service.

Sorry, I had to just rant a little bit. Probably because I just wrote a big check.
 
crap -- I just wrote the perfect post that would have wrapped up this whole thead, and a glitch in the INterwebz sent it into a black hole before all of you guys could tell me to stuff it :laugh:

In my eyes, there are some benefits to having access to 52" LED LCD TVs for $1,400. That gives me more discrescionary funds to support craftsmen in industries I select for my needs, such as knives, construction, etc. So while some jobs go away, other new ones open up.

(I should add I knew when I saw the initial post this thread would get a little interesting... I was wondering if Dave would turn into a magician and make it disappear) :jumping:
 
I think that Wallymart is the wrong comparison here. We are talking about knives that cost over $100. after all. The fact that the different processes of the Addict are farmed out to different specialists is neither good nor bad, it is just a way to get something to market at a specific price point. Remember that the Amazon shoppers consider Rachel's knives to be expensive! I won't be buying any, but I like that they are available sans handle and somewhat customizable, so that they can be brought to a higher level if one wishes.
In the end they sink or swim on their own merits.
 
David, I agree with you, most electronics depreciate, and cost goes of the products go down. I tend to go cheap becaues I know it will depreciate. However, I would rather buy from Costco than Sams, because I just don't like their business model. In that way, I get to support something with a little better customer service. That's why I would go to Target rather than Walmart and spend a little more for better customer service.

I really hate Walmart, if you couldn't really tell.
 
Friend of mine works in our local Walmart pharmacy. If there Optometry is anything similar, they aren't doing any favors to their customers. Seriously, she has some true horror stories.
 
Interesting you brought up Costco. That reminds me I have a friend in furniture business who absolutely despises working with them for similar economic reasons.
 
Dave Martell said:
For Mark this is brilliant and fits his business model.....make a cheap knife cheaply.....sell many....make very little$ on each knife. Add many cheap products together in a web store, lower the prices to rock bottom, you then add all the low profits made off of each item together and you have an internet success story.

Remember that Mark has no investment in these knives besides his money, no sweat & blood, he only needs to make a few $$ to make money on them. Again it's about grouping a ton of products together and low balling the prices of said products to make the $$ through volume sales. Quality is a secondary concern to quantity here.

I actually wish Mark success with this venture, I figure that there's a need for cheap knives just like there's a need for higher end knives and I'd rather let him put his name on the cheap ones than to have to do that myself.
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Agreed.
 
Here comes one.......

Racine, WI is widely known for producing Danish Kringle.There are four bakeries that make kringle. O&H is the largest and most popular. Food channel has been there, Obama has been there etc. Bendtsens bakery however makes the best kringle. They are the only ones who still do it by hand the old school way. If I want a cake I'll go to O&H but if I want kringle I'll go across town to Bendtsens.

The owner BTW is the guy who makes the kringle. He is an avid golfer, has a comfortable lifestyle and a full membership to the Country Club. Not bad.
 
The issues, IIRC are opinions about the Addict knife and "you get what you pay for."

I think people are responding both negatively and positively to the hyperbole surrounding the knife. The pre-release marketing made it appear to be more than what it is: an entry-level production wa guyoto at $170 with rosewood and $150 without. Mark created a perception of a higher-end knife without ever saying it was.

If I hadn't bought a Carbonext, which probably is of similar quality, profit margin and about the same price, I'd be very interested in that Addict. There are lots of similar knives at that price point and it's unrealistic to think any of them are exceptional.

When the time comes to buy a better knife I'll have to spend a lot more and have Jon Broida guide me.
 
Salty dog said:
Here comes one.......

Racine, WI is widely known for producing Danish Kringle.There are four bakeries that make kringle. O&H is the largest and most popular. Food channel has been there, Obama has been there etc. Bendtsens bakery however makes the best kringle. They are the only ones who still do it by hand the old school way. If I want a cake I'll go to O&H but if I want kringle I'll go across town to Bendtsens.

The owner BTW is the guy who makes the kringle. He is an avid golfer, has a comfortable lifestyle and a full membership to the Country Club. Not bad.
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DAMN IT!!!! Now I am jonesing for a bendtsens kringle:bashhead:
 
And peace was made in the search of kringle!
 
I have to say, the reasons I wouldn't buy this knife is because of my intense drive to localize. Heck, I've even trained my Hulu account to only play ads for Texas-based businesses.

I got my first two knives, both Japanese, because I spent months searching and couldn't find anything comparable that is American. So I bought Japanese from a American sources(CKTG and a seller on eBay). If I knew of a guy making knives around here, I'd probably buy one. I know you can't make a living making knives(stock removal even) one at a time and selling them for $100. But you can do it as part of an integrated business, and if you make them in batches. No, they won't be mind-blowing, but neither were my first knives--but they are still better than any of the crap I've work around or seen in a house.

Buy local, and you won't have to figure all this stuff out. I used Bank of America, nothing but trouble. Now I bank with a bank who's headquarters are 2 blocks from my house. Never a problem, and very lenient. Not once have they pointed to the computer to blame it for my problems. Same goes with knives, sharpening, or anything.
 
It looks exactly like a kringle to me :lol2: If you haven't had one you really need to order one from them, they are extremely good. I like them heated up with coffee in the morning, but cold from the fridge as a midnight snack works just as well :thumbsup:
 
I love this forum so much. The tangent with the bakeries is absolutely fantastic! I can't wait to order a Kringle and a King Cake in the next month and I shall start with a Kringle.
 
Who's making those knives for him? Lamson? It companies like that thet put us knives on the bottom of the list, them and Dexter.
 
Dave Martell said:
I actually wish Mark success with this venture, I figure that there's a need for cheap knives just like there's a need for higher end knives and I'd rather let him put his name on the cheap ones than to have to do that myself.
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Commendable, for sure. Although, I am not sure the likes of Takeda, Moritaka, Konosuke, Tadatsuna, Masamoto, Watanabe should be called "cheap". I never said anything about Marks knowledge (Marko?), just his business savvy. But, no one can deny, that he has made it easy and affordable to purchase knives. I really don't know about the "fallout", nor do I care.

I am a family man with four kids. My passion is cooking. I have been a chef for 20+ years. I like nice knives. My budget isn't sky high, as I like to cloth and feed my kids. Although, I absolutely love to look at the craftsmanship of above mentioned, it's not very practical for all. Am I being hung because I cannot afford $400 ++++ on a knife? I am sorry, but, although I like to look at a nice handle, it isn't practical for me in a pro kitchen.

So do you guys not want people on your forum that can only afford "cheap" knives? Because thats how you are coming off....

These kind of attacks are uncalled for, are childish, and show no restraint. Grow up!
 
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